Which javelin?

No life, but a breath
As cold as death
Ever craving, never drinking
Clad in darkness, evil thinking

hS

Eol's

Your riddle reminds me of Gollum's riddle.

Maybe the Black Death that killed me along with all the other children who succumbed?

You noticed. :)

Nope.

hS

The Nazgul? They crave the Ring, wear black cloaks, and are cold, as Frodo and Eowyn can attest.

And have the Black Breath, hence "a breath / as cold as death". Yep.

hS

How about another Legate-styled riddle?

You won't survive my attack in the night
Unless you have the will to fight
I kill the weak and the wee
As you clearly do see
Your loved ones are lost
For they paid the cost

Not the Black Death for real this time? :)

Maybeee...:smokin:

Try this one. Bonus points for exact references.



To black without light
Comes crescent bright.
It brings the shadow of a friend
And shade of fear from distant land.

Wake up from carefree reverie
To grim and false reality!
Inside the wood, by its long boughs
Don't listen to the ghastly sounds.

The quiet broken by a splash,
A stream that gives way to a pool.
Yet evil is this water cool -
It does not matter. Naught shall pass.

The wood is dead. It ceased to grow.
Its waters can no longer flow.
Just one is happy and serene,
Alone amid a frightful scene.

Some parts seem like Turin's awakening at Ivrin, others say 'Old Man Willow'...

I'll let you think on it a bit more and maybe come up with some concrete guesses before I start pointing you to the right direction.

Well, I thought for a while, and while not everything seems to fit, I am making the Old Forest my first guess

The Old Forest is incorrect, but I think you may be interpreting some of the lines correctly.

Mirkwood?

The first paragraph could be the darkness pierced by the elven banquets.

Bombour waking up?

The poisonous sleep river?

Not sure about the wood being dead but Bilbo’s calm and peaceful moment about the trees.

Not Mirkwood, 'mfraid.

Moria?

Oh damn that fits near perfect.

Still no. Old Forest was closest, but all of your answers are of the wrong type.

Change of approach, then.


Watcher in the Water?

Not him. I am assuming that for both him and for Moria you thought the water is the Sirannon? Wrong water.

Oh, wait, I think I figured it out, and I can explain most of the lines too


Okay, it's one of these two, so first: Eithel Ivrin?

No, wrong water and wrong type of answer.

Iron Mountains? :confused:


Or maybe, by wrong type, you mean that the answer is not a place, but a person/object?

Not Iron Mountains.

I never said it's a person/object, just as I said that your previous answers were of the wrong type.

I also said that your Old Forest guess was the closest so far, because I think you've interpreted some of the lines correctly. How you got from there to Ivrin and Iron Mountains is beyond me. :confused:

Okay, I'll bite.



Huorns?

Nope.

Fangorn Forest?

Nope. Are you gonna blindly go through a list of associations?

Well, I have no other option, so yea...


The Fellowship?

The barrowdowns.

Taken into the darkness then the have dreams Frodo wakes up Frodo wakes up to the grim reality. The rest is probably part of the scene haven’t read it in a bit I remember rings and treasure and stuff and whispers I think?. And then the only one serene would be Bombadil.

Well, if you see it that way.

Nope.

Not the Barrow Downs, but you have one important element right in there. This is a different event, but I think you're picking up on the right lines. This of what made you decide on Frodo in the Barrow Downs, and use that to look for other events that could fit in.

Maybe the awakening in the Old Forest?

Not sure what you mean by that, but it's not the answer regardless. If you elaborate though I might be able to tell you if you're interpreting the lines correctly.

Well, the tree put the Hobbits to sleep, and Tom awakened them

So, like Morsul, you're picking up on sleeping/waking. That's good, on the right track.

The Dead Marshes although this is a far more poetic interpretation

The pale lights of the marsh. Frodo in a dream state wakened by Sam shadow of a friend. Hmm. The winged Nazgul. Naught shall pass could be the dead still lingering there not passing on. Dead is obvious nothing grows. Serene again a stretch Gollum not complaining about the smell. “Sméagol Bears it.”

You're drifting farther again. In some ways, you actually want to go more literal.

The line I keep getting drawn to is ghastly noises. Bombadil telling them to not need any nightly noises. But I’ll keep thinking.

So someone awoke someone else from a pleasant dream?

If this is too broad a question obviously don’t answer is the answer in LoTR or a different Tolkien work? I will not get it if it’s not LoTR :eek: