Geography Grilling
Over the river and through the woods...
Climb every mountain; ford every stream... Somewhere over the rainbow... Take me to the river... Name, in chronological order, the bodies of water that Frodo crossed in LOTR. (There and back again and beyond.) Bonus points for modes of transportation! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] |
what a question [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]
The Bywater (bridge) The Brandywine (ferry) Hoarwell (bridge) Loudwater (ford) The Gate stream of Moria (ford or wading across) The Silverlode (foot) The Nimrodel (foot) The Anduin (boat) Morgulduin (bridge) Anduin (boat) Isen (ford) Glsnduin (ford) Loudwater (ford) Hoarwell (bridge) Brandywine (bridge) The Western Ocean (boat) Probably missed something |
Nassty, isn't it? Serves me right to post a question I've not finished finding the answer to. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]
But I know you've missed 2 between the Water and the Brandywine. OK, 1 of those wasn't named, but the other was. And there are 2 more bodies of water (not necessarily rivers/streams) he crossed between the Brandywine and Hoarwell. While you think of those, I'll check the journey from Rivendell onward. **panicked** |
Would it be the 'Stok-stream' or something like that? Im not sure if they ever crossed the Withywindle but they did cross the midgewater marches
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Yes, Telchar, Frodo did wade across the Stock-brook. And before that he crossed an unnamed stream where it dived under the road near the fall (probably a tributary of The Water) on the morning of September 24.
And you got the Midgewater Marshes - great! And you're right - they didn't cross the Withywindle. And there is another watery crossing before he arrives at The Prancing Pony. Think of a dike/channel/moat. This is very hard - I'm scanning the whole book - ughh! (I'm avoiding looking up the detailed route maps on the web.) I guess hills and mountain ranges would have been easier! [ January 14, 2002: Message edited by: Lostgaeriel ] |
Hey Telchar! Give up? Want me to post my reckoning of Frodo's water-crossings? I finally finished slogging thru the book looking for bodies of water. But it was good to read the descriptions again and fix the images in my mind.
It's a long list. I've got 37 entries - all mentioned or implied in the book and JRRT's original maps in LOTR. I'd like it if you would check it over - I'm sure I've missed or misunderstood something. I don't think Frodo crossed Morgulduin - he started toward the bridge toward Minas Morgul but Sam and Gollum stopped him. |
just post the list, and well look at it [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]
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OK. This is what I've got. I'd love to discuss. Thanks! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]
And, Telchar you get to ask the next question!!! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] (Page #s from Unwin/Unicorn One Volume paperback 1983 3rd Ed. - 1985 reprint)
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[img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] MUCHO IMPRESSO [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]
Entry 5. and 31. might be a little far out - a dike is not obviosly a body of water??? but concerning dikes here are some more entrys: Quote:
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Name the beacon of Gondor that lay furthest to the east and furthest to the West.
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Hi Telchar!
VERY IMPRESSIVE RESEARCH FROM YOU. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] (Which I've come to expect.) I suppose a dike isn't a body of water and neither is a fosse. They are constructions that may or may not contain or hold back water. I misunderstood the meanings. So I checked my dictionary, again, which defines a dike as two things: 1) a long wall or embankment to keep back water and prevent flooding or 2) a ditch for draining water from land. And fosse is defined as a long ditch or a moat or a trench, especially in fortification. I guess I figured if there was a bridge or causeway - a road across low or wet ground - there might be water in the dike or fosse. But if a road goes over wet ground that doesn't count, does it? So not only is the dike in Bree suspect, so is the fosse surrounding Caras Galadhon in Lothlórien. Numbers 5, 31, 16, 17. And I'm embarrassed that I missed the ride with Farmer Maggot and Bombadil guiding them back to the Road. I didn't even skim those to check for water or dikes and ditches - I just assumed!!! Gosh! I hadn't realized how many locations in Middle-Earth have dikes. Thanks for helping me get a better handle on the definitions of these words. Paints a clearer picture of the settings in the story. [ January 18, 2002: Message edited by: Lostgaeriel ] |
OK. The beacons of Gondor.
From East to West: Amon Dîn (furthest East) Eilenach Nardol Erelas Min-Rimmon Calenhad Halifirien (furthest West) |
Yes that is correct.
Comments on the word 'fosse' A fosse is (as I understand it) a deep trench filled with water, to prevent an enemy to assult a castle, town or fortress. In the description of the fosse around Caras Caladhon it is said that it has green brinks which indicates that it was indeed filled with water - so I guess that you are correct on that point [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Furthermore, the word 'fos' is the Norwegian word for a swift river of wich they indeed have many in Norway. And in Danish water may 'fosse' out of a hole in a pipe or out of tap, or through a breech in a dike. Much like 'pour' in english. Go on please [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] |
Name and/or describe the geography of 3 places where a hobbit or hobbits fell asleep in the sunshine.
Thanks for the additional info on the word 'fosse'. I'm afraid that in my part of the world we don't have moats, fossae, dikes, etc. so they're a 'foreign' concept to me. And I haven't travelled enough, obviously. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] |
Hope nobody minds if I jump in...
[list=1][*] In the Old Forest, against the trunk of Old Man Willow[*] On the grassy hill in the Barrow Downs[*] In Ithilien (Sam & Frodo) after eating stewed rabbit[/list=a] |
Welcome and well met, Curuquendil! Correct! Glad you joined in. Ask us one.
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Thank you! I am enjoying my visits here immensely!
Now for my question: List the streams, rivers & tributaries which meet up with the River Anduin at one point. (In existence during the Third Age, to avoid any confusion.) |
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The Langwell The Greylin The Rhimdath The Ninglor The Celebrant The Limlight The Entwash The Erui The Sirith The Poros Close enough? |
VERY CLOSE! There are 10 total & all are correct except for Rhimdath (although I will admit that I don't see Rhimdath anywhere on maps or in the indices) If anyone else can verify that Rhimdath is correct, I'll "stand corrected"!
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River Rhimdath shows on the 'First Map' published in HoME 7 'The Treason of Isengard' I cant recall seeing the name on the later LoTR maps made by CRT. Pretty cool that somebody found it [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]
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Thanks for the confirmation Telchar! In that case, I will consider the answer given as correct!
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The week is up... someone ask as i cant think of one myself just now.
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What was Bamfurlong?
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Bamfurlong was the name of Farmer Maggot's farmstead
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Correct [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]
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What was the 'elvish' name of the "Sun Rising Hill" in the far east of Arda before the Changing Of The World at the end of the Second Age?
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Ah Ha! I finally found it! Kalorme is the "sun rising hill".
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[img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] Way to go .. your turn ..
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Where is the "House of 100 Chimneys"?
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Why that be located in Tol Eressea, in Tavrobel and was the home of Gilfanon, Lord of Tavrobel
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Very good Mat-Heathertoes! I thought it would take longer than that, but its your turn now!
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Where was the land of Fragrant Trees ?
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Nísimaldar, the Fragrant Trees was another name for Numenor.
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Indeed it was Bruce, take it away!
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What is the Hill of Anwar called in Lord of the Rings and what was significant about the hill?
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Halifirien 'Holy Mountain' in the tongue of the Rohirrim, was its name and its particular importance was that it once contained the Tomb of Elendil
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The floor is yours, Matt!
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where in Arda,is the dark harbour of the North? and what is its name? .. clue - Mandos spoke his Prophecy of the North there .....
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"the northern confines of the Guarded Realm, upon the borders of Araman, which were mountainous and cold." Here the Noldor saw the figure of Mandos and he gave his Prophecy of the North
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Yes, that's right but in one of Christopher Tolkiens associated Histories, it's actual name is given ... curious enough mentioned as the mooring-place of the black ship of Nienna which drew the souls of men onwards to their new home beyond the circles of Arda....
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