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Beren87 01-04-2002 04:20 PM

Uruk-Hai
 
I have a question. I read in one book that the Uruk-Hai were originally bred by Sauron, and called Hobgoblins. But in other places it says that they were bred by Saruman. Which is the right evildoer?

Luineglin 01-04-2002 04:32 PM

well it is said that all that was invented by sauramon was sent by sauron so u might say that it was sauramon but it wasnt.

Marileangorifurnimaluim 01-04-2002 07:04 PM

The only reference I've seen is from Treebeard, and he wasn't sure, but thought Saruman might be "blending the lines of orcs and men - that would be a black evil." But you're right, Saruman was copying Mordor. Unwittingly. The (re)design of Isengard is referred to being like a child's copy of Mordor, though it's mentioned that he thought it very grand and didn't realize it wasn't his idea.

-Maril

Elrian 01-04-2002 10:17 PM

Uruk-Hai: Strain of Orcs bred by Sauron in the Third Age in Mordor. The Uruk-Hai first appeared about 2475, when they overran Ithilien and took Osgiliath. By the time of the War of the Ring Uruks were used by both Sauron and Saruman. The Complete Guide To Middle Earth.

Zippo 01-04-2002 10:24 PM

That sounds like a dictionary definition, but that explains it! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Luineglin 01-05-2002 03:06 PM

so to put in regular launage it was sauron not saruamon and they were men and orcs mixed.

Elrian 01-06-2002 01:36 AM

It said nothing about being Men and Orcs mixed, and it was plain enough. [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Luineglin 01-06-2002 12:15 PM

shhhhhhh he might not know that.

Mithadan 01-06-2002 07:17 PM

Foster's Complete Guide is not always completely accurate and sometimes contains his own interpretations. As I understand it (and I may be wrong) the Uruks were inordinately large orcs bred by Sauron, but the Uruk-Hai were a different breed created by Saruman, likely through careful breeding, maybe including the addition of a human element in the gene pool.

Elrian 01-07-2002 01:34 AM

In the glossary of Unfinished Tales it says that Uruks: Anglicized form of Uruk Hai of the Black Speech; a race of Orcs of great size and strength.


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