Two statements game
Basically the rules are that you say two statements and ask a question about them and the answer/s must be of people who are fairly closely related by blood or marriage.
That means no second- or third-cousins, etc. Great-great-great-great-grandfathers/uncles/aunts are acceptable, but try and keep them fairly closely related. Also, half-grand uncles etc. are acceptable because of Feanor, Fingolfin and Finarfin being related in this way. Anyway, here goes: 1) He could see all, yet oft truth was from him hid. AND 2) He is the bane of the Two Fathers. Who are these people and how are they related? |
This is very difficult and I'm a little confused.
Is it that the two answers have to be related through family ties or by association. Apologies if this seems obvious! |
Yeah, it is a bit confusing lol. Kath, you're right about familial ties or by association. So any guesses?
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denethor and ?
i dont know the other one |
Denethor and the Balrog of Khazad-Dum
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Nope, not Denethor and the Balrog of Khazad-dum, though they are correct I suppose in their own right. However, they aren't related. So here's a hint: they are father and son. The second one is *slightly* disputed, but it's still clear.
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Denethor and Boromir?
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Nope- think First Age characters.
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Thanks for the explanation.
I will now reshow my stupidity in this guess. Illuvatar and Morgoth |
i think its Turgon and one of the sons
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Hurin and Turin?
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Congrats, Miriel it is Hurin and Turin! Statement 1 is referring to Hurin being tortured by Morgoth in Angband and seeing all that's happening to his kin, except he doesn't see any of the good stuff that is happening, thus the truth is hidden from him.
Statement 2 is referring to Turin, the bane of the Two Fathers: He is the bane of Glaurung, the Father of Dragons, and Melkor, the Father of Evil. Next time plz justify your answer, but well done. Your shot. |
May i ask how Turin is the bane of Melkor? they have never even met, let alone Melkor talking about him (nothing in book)
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As I said, it is kind of disputed, but Mandos made a Prophecy about the Last Battle when Morgoth comes back through the Door of Night and is slain by Turin. It's in the Book of Lost Tales and The Shaping of Middle-Earth. Also, theres a reference to Dagor Dragorath in UT and are several references to the Last Battle in the Silmarillion.
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Miriel- your turn.
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Should I go *poke*, or should I go *bump*?
I know...I'll shout.
Miriel! |
*jerks into wakefulness* Hrmmphh?
Oh yeah, sorry, forgot. *Sigh* ... it's fun to work it out but not so good trying to make one up... Well, I'm awful at this sort of stuff, so be merciful. ;) Disfigurement within a fair outside was never preferred. In last two years sees withdrawal of good follow rise of evil. |
Eowyn and Theoden?
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Nope.
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ARWEN AND ELROND?
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No.
And you'd probably be best to explain the answer, as I'll ask you to do so if you get it right. ;) |
Hints?
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Okay ...
'Disfigurement within a fair outside' is cryptic. All the rest is straight clues. And you're looking for one Third Ager, and one Third/Fourth Ager. And they're not Elves. That'll do for now. ;) |
Is the first one Saruman?
Reason being he seems good but is in fact evil. |
Herm...dunno...are they Faramir and Denethor?
Denethor saw the rise of evil in his last two years and Faramir was fair on the inside and outside. |
Oooh ... very close, Arvedui. The first one is indeed Faramir. ('mar', which can be a noun meaning disfigurement or blemish, within the letters fa ir - a 'fair outside', and the 'never preferred' referring to his father's preference of Boromir.) :D
Denethor isn't the other one, though. And, hint: 'last two years' doesn't necessarily refer to the last two years of the person's life. Think what 'withdrawal of good' might refer to. |
Faramir and Boromir?
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Nope.
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Faramir And Eowyn. She's had two years of tending her king in growing fear under Grima.
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No. More hints?
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Faramir and Finduilas?
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No ... okay, big hint ... the person you're looking for was a Steward of Gondor. 'Last two years' refers to the last two years of his rule.
So, now just consider 'withdrawal of good'. And check all the stewards somewhere near Faramir. ;) |
Faramir and Echthelion II?
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No.
Okay, I'm getting bored of this. ;) The Steward in question saw, in his last two years, Sauron's openly declaring himself in Mordor, and Saruman withdrawing to Isengard. So who is it, and what's his relationship with Faramir? Should be easy now. :p |
I'm going to throw in a ballpark guess- We've already got Faramir, and I'm assuming the Steward in question is Gandalf (what with his statement to Denathor "did you not know" and all of that). The relationship is one of mutual love, but more as between a teacher and student than that of father and son. If I'm right, please allow someone else with more creativity than me ask the next.
Fea |
No ... not Gandalf ... an actual Steward of Gondor. ;)
Come on guys! I've practically told you it... |
It's Turgon. He is Faramir's great-grandfather.
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*cheers!!!!*
Correct. :D |
Thanks Miriel! I love guessing these, but I hate writing them - oh well.
Fell Fire slain in Flame. and Cave Hewer dies defending friend. |
Finrod and Maedhros? Finrod was the hewer of caves ('Felagund') and died to save his friend Beren, and Maedhros killed himself by throwing his body into a chasm filled with fire.
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