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HerenIstarion 02-28-2002 11:49 AM

Another Way Round
i'm well pleased with Mistranslation thread, so, working along same lines, here we have another kind of quote contest. One gives a completely reversed version of the quote, and the rest tries to work out hte original. Here we go:


Butterflies are already dead, though on an island over those pools, for I deduct it out of a fire
who + all the circumstances

HerenIstarion 03-05-2002 06:53 AM

err..., I expected more enthusiasm somehow... :rolleyes:

Watcher in the Water 03-06-2002 01:55 AM

I for one do not get what you mean... could you give the answer for your current question and then pose another so i can get an idea about how to approach the question? I must say it SOUNDS interesting... I just dont get it yet [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Joy 03-06-2002 02:00 AM

I agree Watcher. Though I must say this sounds like Denethor before he decides to kill himself and Faramir.

HerenIstarion 03-06-2002 02:39 AM

well, I think I failed to explain the principle. I'll reveal the answer to the previous one as a sample:


Butterflies are already dead, though on an island over those pools, for I deduct it out of a fire

which was the reverse to that one:

The dragon is still alive and in the halls under the Mountain then - or I imagine so from the smoke

and give it the fresh start. here we go again:


what have them done, what have them done! Running into elves, while enslaved by rabbits!
guess it out :)

Joy 03-06-2002 02:49 AM

H-I, all I can think of is Borimir saying:

What have I said?.. What have I done? Frodo, Frodo come back. A madness took me. Now it is gone.

Bruce MacCulloch 03-06-2002 06:12 AM


What shall we do, what shall we do! Escaping goblins to be caught by wolves!
I have noticed that H-I has bit of a fondness for The Hobbit.

[ March 06, 2002: Message edited by: Bruce MacCulloch ]

HerenIstarion 03-06-2002 08:17 AM

not a bit, heh, a mighty big morsel I should say [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]. yes, Bruce, you got it. go ahead

Bruce MacCulloch 03-06-2002 04:04 PM


She wasn't a nice lady, and quite rude to the guests.

HerenIstarion 03-07-2002 10:26 AM

well, hard to crack that one. if we make it word by word, it will sound as follows

He was a wicked lord, though more or less polite to his host

but I have no clue whom may that be

Bruce MacCulloch 03-07-2002 09:46 PM

Not really word for word, somewhat, but more concept for concept.

HerenIstarion 03-08-2002 03:35 AM

well, than maybe Gaffer about Bilbo:


A very nice well-spoken gentlehobbit is Mr. Bilbo, as Iíve always said

Bruce MacCulloch 03-08-2002 04:24 AM

No again.
It's almost word for word, by the way. Not entirely, but almost.

HerenIstarion 03-09-2002 07:05 AM

Treebeard about Saruman?


He was polite in those days, always asking my leave (at least when he met me); and always eager to listen.

Bruce MacCulloch 03-11-2002 01:06 AM

Still no! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Glenethor 03-11-2002 01:56 AM

Merry about Theoden?

Mat_Heathertoes 03-11-2002 10:10 AM

I'd have a stab at Frodo to Gandalf at the Council of Elrond concerning Butterbur


'He was really very kind to us and did all that he could.'

Bruce MacCulloch 03-13-2002 12:24 AM

Heh! I seem to have even stumped the doughty Mr. Heathertoes. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

HerenIstarion 03-13-2002 06:42 AM

well, working out statement about being rude to the guests, I assume that must be quatation from author's narrative in The Hobbit:


the hobbit was fond of visitors
is it?

Bruce MacCulloch 03-13-2002 10:01 PM

Still no, although you are getting closer.

Joy 03-13-2002 10:57 PM

Gandalf to Bilbo about Beorn:


He can be appaling when he is angry, though he is kind enough if humored.

Bruce MacCulloch 03-13-2002 11:02 PM

Nope - you and H-I may be "closer" but you have a long way to go yet. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Joy 03-15-2002 12:51 AM

The Hobbit - Flies and Spiders:

for Wood-Elves were not goblins, and were reasonably well-behaved even to their worst enemy.
Is this it???

Bruce MacCulloch 03-15-2002 01:21 AM

Even closer! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

HerenIstarion 03-25-2002 01:39 AM

maybe it's description of Beorn (yet again):


Beorn, who was never very polite.

Bruce MacCulloch 03-25-2002 10:37 AM

Getting colder. Think along the lines of Joy's last guess.

Mirkgirl 03-25-2002 05:24 PM

Maybe not, but Gloin at the council of Elrond?

HerenIstarion 03-26-2002 12:55 AM

well. well, , maybe Thorin about Elvenking:


Nor at all with the people of the Elvenking, whom I remember with small kindness
? [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img]

Bruce MacCulloch 03-26-2002 01:16 AM

Close, but still not quite!

HerenIstarion 03-27-2002 12:18 AM

well, maybe that's dwarves in elven cave. I think this one fits in perfectly: masculine plural vs fem. sing. of your quote, and they are not polite:


They were surly and angry and did not even pretend to be polite
and they were rude to their "host" (or captor, rather) - elvenking

Bruce MacCulloch 03-27-2002 02:33 AM

You keep hitting so close! Still a miss!

HerenIstarion 04-07-2002 03:47 AM

well, I'm pretty sure already it's Elvenking being described, but by whom I can not make out

Bruce MacCulloch 04-07-2002 03:04 PM

Do you want me to post the answer and ask a different one?

Turambar 04-08-2002 05:44 PM

Bilbo about the chief guard:


"He wasn't a bad fellow, and quite decent to the prisoners."

mordor136 04-08-2002 07:52 PM

pippen about theoden
"A fine old fellow. Very polite"

Bruce MacCulloch 04-10-2002 05:18 AM

Finally! Turambar got it!

Rimbaud 04-10-2002 08:40 AM

This is mind-meltingly simple, but in order to re-establish the format...


On the highest of mountains lived the largest of giants.

Turambar 04-10-2002 03:00 PM

"In a hole in the ground there lived a hobbit." ???

latando angaina 04-13-2002 09:31 AM

I think it was already Turambar's turn to ask, so he (being right, I fancy) may proceed. or isn't it so? [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Turambar 04-24-2002 11:20 AM

"Oh man who died in happiness, arise into bright memory, and remember forever the beautiful choice of death."

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