Two Glorfindels?
I have not read that part yet, but it says that Glorfindel the elf was killed while fighting a Balrog. If this is true what about the Glorfindel in LOTR? Are there two of them??
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Do a search.
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Oh your a real help Oblo [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] NOT!!!!
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I'm serious. Try it.
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No, Glorfindel was killed and reincarnated into another body, conviently named Glorfindel.
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Where's that?
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the Silmarillion
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Well, I know that there was a Glorfindel in the First Age, who was killed, and one in the Third Age. I don't know if the first one was reincarnated or not. But there are some names that have been repeated, like Denethor, and Elf and a Man, Beren I've seen a few times... I can't think of any more right know.
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They are the same. Although humans often give their sons elvish names, that has already been used (like Denethor), elves never. There can only be one Glorfindel. The story says, that Tolkien forgot, and so he incented the story that Glorfindel was sent back to Middle-Earth by the Valar to fight Sauron and evil once again.
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Oh I see. Sent back you say? I was curious because this elf that died before Elrond was even born ends up haning out in Imladris. Ummm... What purpose did he serve in Imladris anyway???? Any purpose at all??
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By the way, you should probably trim your signature down a bit. It's kind of long. [ August 23, 2002: Message edited by: burrahobbit ] |
As it was stated above, which seems to be more fesible, that Tolkien made a mistake and attempted to cover it up.
As for Glorfindel to be reincaranted, he must have been a pretty awsome warrior. |
there are two answers really.one is that glorfindel was reincarnated as elves have a tendency to do that;2 is that glofindel is a common nane as glofindel is the male version of goldie-locks and glorfinniel is the female. [img]smilies/cool.gif[/img]
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Look at this thread for more clarification:
Glorfindel |
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http://www.gamers-forums.com/smilies...dlil/eek13.gif It just seems that over all in Tolkien's work that he had a LOT of nifty ideas, but could not make up what he wanted to use.
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Well: if we remember correctly (well: if I remember correctly, that is), weren't there two different Elves named Legolas as well? Could that have been a reincarnation, or maybe just another common name (Greenleaf had to be a common Elf name). As for Glorfindel, I always thought that it was the reincarnation, because, as someone once phrased it to me:
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So: in conclusion: we don't really know who was a reincarnation with the same name or was just a coincidence, unless Tolkien specified. And: did it mention Glorfindel being reincarnated in The Sil? If so: gotta reread it again: already forgetting a lot of it. |
I beleive that there is an essay in The Histories of Middle Earth Volume 12: The Peoples of Middle-Earth that deals specifically with Glorifindel and how I and II are the same Elf.
Glorifindel came back to ME sometime after the One Ring was forged in the 2nd Age and aided Gil-Galad in the War of Sauron and the Elves. I also beleive that in one of the Letters of JRR Tolkien, towards the latter part of his life, the good Professor postulated that both Alatar and Pallando (the Blue-Wizards) came back with Glorifindel and that they in fact did not fail in their mission. In doing what they did, the Easterlings and Southrons resisted the power of Sauron more than if they hadnt come to Middle-Earth. |
Yes! Necromancer, I confirm that. I have read Tolkien's statement on it.
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Anyone ever notice the two Rúmil's? I didn't think this deserved an entire thread since there isn't much on either person.
Anyway there is a Rúmil in Lothlorien(Haldir's brother) and there is the Rúmil in Valinor, the guy that made up the writing system. Is there anyway that this could make sense? I am pretty sure Rúmil in Valinor didn't die and come back to life in Middle-Earth. Your thoughts? |
Oh but there is more! There were even Elves named after men, if I remember rightly. I don't worry about it. I just let the names flow...
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You mean Haldir? I don't really mind that very much, I don't really care about the two Rumil's either, I just think it is strange that Tolkien would still use the names after he published the LotR. I would think that he would have made the necessary changes.
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Not to mention that there was an Elf named Denethor and there is Denethor the Steward of Gondor, father of Boromir and Faramir
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