Hearing "faithful" I'm thinking of Numenor an those faithful to the old traditions, not forsaking the friendship of the elves. "Shunned by all", hmmm... I'm going to guess for Tar-Miriel. She was supposed to be queen but was forced into marriage and from the throne. Maybe that is "shunned by all". It is also said that she tried to reach the top of Meneltarma when the island sank, which would explain why she's high over vale. In the ground meaning dead in this interpretation.

I don't think that's correct actually. But am I on to something? Is any part correct?

No your all wrong Morsul !

Your answer is all wrong too Gothmog, but some of your resoning is right, try rethinking it. . .

(remember I am no good at this so it might be cryptic)

Tar-Pantir? he was of the faithful and tried to bring back the Elvish ways

Nope.

Try to think a little unorthodoxly. . .

(Shall I give a hint when I return in 8 hours?)

The last line sounds kind of like the barrowmounds. A barrow-wight? The barrow-wight? But I don't know about the first line. The kings in the barrows were descendents of the faithful of Numenor? And those who lived in Numenor and were faithful was shunned by all? All that anti-elvish propaganda going on...

No I really have no idea... Maybe a hint, if no-one else has any ideas

Hint: Not a person

Maybe it is to easy now, but thats just the way it has to be.

lotlorien
among the faithful elves shunned by men
placed high because of its magic and great elven roots and its roots tree roots are ion the ground?

How about the Stone of Erech?

It was on the top of the Hill of Erech, yet in the ground; people were quite afraid of it, but it was brought there by Isildur from Numenor...

Sorry Morsul your wrong again, but a real good guess though. . .

Congrat's Mettare that was the answer I was looking for !

I hereby yield the thread to you

:)

Another way to be taken
For the first was taken away
From the light into shadows and dimness
A treacherous way, a dangerous way
Calling its victims

Just to get us startet: The Straight Road ?

I dont think it is correct, but was the first thing that came to my mind.

An other wild guess: The path through Moria?

crossroads maybe?

Nope.

Gothmog's guess was good, though.. just not the one I had in mind.. I was afraid it might be a little too vague.. :rolleyes:

I'm going to say its the Pathes of the Dead.

I'm following my first thought and guess at Cirith Ungol. My first guess was considered good, and this is quite similar so...?

No.

It was just a good guess but now I see there are other good guesses as well...

Slightly modified riddle:

Another way to be taken
For the first was taken away
From the light into shadows and dimness
A treacherous way, a dangerous way
Calling its many victims

Might not be a big clue (if any) but I don't want to make it too obvious...

The treacherous wastes of the Helcaraxë ?

Yep, that's it! :D

Your turn! :)

Thanks. . .

Brothers three, greatest am I
I see all with my ancient eye


Not as good as yours Mettare, but I hope it will do.

Minas Tirith perhaps?

perhaps. . . . but it is wrong, but good guess and close it was.

then the next logical step if that was close is Baradur?

yes that would be the next logical thing to do, but alas your wrong!

If you keep doing the logical thing you will end up with the right answer, allthough it may take some time.

dont read to much into the messege above.

hmm...Osgiliath?

Nope.

If you want I can make changes in the riddel to make it easier. . .

Gondolin perhaps?

No not at all.

Minas Tirith was close...so perhaps it needs to be more specific the White Tower?

No it is somthing different.

Maybe if I change the riddle a bit.

Brothers three, tallest am I
I see all with my ancient eye

Orthanc is pretty tall

Orthanc

indeed it was, but it is not the answer.

Shall I give a hint ?

yes please

Hint: Looks only across the sea

Grey Haven?

You cant come any closer now. You are so close, allso geographical. ;)

the lighthouse? i forget what its called

I cant remember the lighthous...

Morsul remember the riddle (and look to a bit to the east)

Elostirion? The eye being the Palantiri and Elostirion being the tallest of the three towers on Emyn Beraid?