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Lachwen 08-03-2004 11:23 AM

The seven names of Gondolin.
 
I've always been entranced by references to Gondolin as "the City of Seven Names." Did Tolkien actually list those names anywhere? Or are they one of those things that, unfortunately, Tolkien didn't live long enough to record? (forgive me if there's already a thread on this, but I was reading Of Tuor's Coming to Gondolin in the Unfinished Tales again, and I started wondering...)

Gil-Galad 08-03-2004 11:25 AM

The Hidden City, The Hidden Rock, Ondolindë, The Rock of the Music of Water

are four that i can remember right now...theres also Gondolin so thats five...now 2 more


Edit: 2 other names that could mean Gondolin, Tumladen, which is the valley and the encircleing mountains


Edit#2: The round valley of Tumladen, within the Encircling Mountains, had originally been a lake, and in its centre stood a hill that had once been an island: Amon Gwareth. It was here that Turgon decided to found his Hidden City, as a memorial to ancient Tirion that lay beyond the Great Sea

if you include City with Seven names its seven names!!!

piosenniel 08-03-2004 11:43 AM

Quote:

Then said Tuor: “What be those names?” And the chief of the Guard made answer: “ ‘Tis said and ‘tis sung: ‘Gondobar am I called and Gondothlimbar, City of Stone and City of the Dwellers in Stone; Gondolin the Stone of Song and Gwarestrin am I named, the Tower of the Guard, Gar Thurion or the Secret Place, for I am hidden from the eyes of Melko; but they who love me most greatly call me Loth, for like the flower am I, even Lothengriol the flower that blooms on the plain.’ Yet,” said he, “in our daily speech we speak and we name it mostly Gondolin.”
--- The Fall of Gondolin; The Book of Lost Tales: Part II

Ondolindë (The Rock of the Music of Water) was its original Quenyan name given to the city by Turgon.

Gondolin is how it was referred to in Sindarin.

Gil-Galad 08-03-2004 12:00 PM

thank you for correcting me now i feel useless...

Lachwen 08-03-2004 06:22 PM

Aww, don't feel bad, Gil-galad! I've owned The Book of Lost Tales II for almost two years now and I just haven't read it yet. How stupid do I feel now? ;)

Gil-Galad 08-03-2004 06:23 PM

hey i've read only half way through when i got disinterested...

drigel 08-04-2004 09:47 AM

Its a tough read I agree. One def has to be in an literary / acedemic mindset to get through it. I am rereading The Quest for the Ring, but this time I find it fascinating. Sauron strategies yum yum


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