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Are elves stupid ?
or maybe just careless?
Why did the elves not find wayes to defeat Glaurung? Glaurung first apears two hundred years before the Dagor Bragollach, but is driven off by Fingon and thoug the elves at this occasion has been pree warned, they were unable, to contrive means to deal with beasts of his sort. Again in the Nirnaeth Arnoediad, he slayed many men and elves before the dwaves drove him off the battlefield. This showed that comprehensive body-armour was able to withstand the heat and flame of Glaurung. Why did the elves not prepare for Glaurung after there first encounter? were they over confident or did they just don't think about it. (this is very hard to belive) Why did the elves not use body-armour of the sort the dwarves used? foolish pride or . . . Please give me your thoughts on this subject. |
Dwarves are more resistant to fire than elves, if I remember correctly.
I do not think the elves were stupid. I do not think that they would've given much thought to their first time encounter with Glaurung. Just another one of Morgoth's wierdos, I can imagine Fingon saying, not realizing the potential of dragons from a military point-of-view. |
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Actually, Turin deafeated Glaurung by an indirect attack. He came up underneath him when Glaurung was trying to cross a ravine. Turin drove his sword, Gurthang( :D ), into Glaurung's belly. So I don't think his armor had anything to do with his fight with Glaurung. (Unless they fought at another time that I am unaware of.)
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Yeah i was thinking of the fall of Nargothrond.
And it was a dwarf mask (Just been checking) |
And what could elves have done to the dragon? Try to invade Angband and say: "Hey, we came to kill the dragon, no harm to you others!"? And how could they know how to protect themselves from the dragon? They maybe just saw this simple: it as another Morgoth's dangerous monster should be fought against as any another Morgoth's monster, not as a special threat. Dangerous maybe - like balrogs - but not so special.
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And as i said earlyer thy saw how well the dwarves armour worked (compared to others) then why not try to copy it ? But as you say they might have just thought: oh another monster! |
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This is an interesting topic. You'd think that the elves, given both
the concern of Maedros to contain Morgoth and the Feanor genes in Maedros and his brothers that some Noldor would have come up with some sort of anti-dragon weapon (a crosbow equivalent?) or perhaps an anti-dragon poison gas. Or, since early dragons couldn't fly, some sort of entangling ropes, wires, etc. ,perhaps some sort of deadfall traps, orbright, flashing lights. |
Two questions?
If I understand correctly, Rune Son of Bjarne, you wonder about to things and those are mixed up a bit:
1. How come the Elves never found a way to kill Glaurung? 2. Why did the Dwarves manage to drive Glaurung of the battlefield where the Elves could not? I think that the answer to your first question is, I believe, fairly simple. Glaurung, as father of dragons, had the same protection as others. That means he had the same hard scales as, for example, Smaug. The only problem that those dragons had was their soft belly. Glaurung probably had the same soft spot, as we see when Turin finally slays him. Glaurung however couldn't fly, so his 'soft spot' was never revealed. His armour kept him alive. The only time that someone managed to see his belly, it was fatal for Glaurung. The answer to your second question is, as is already said, that Aulë maid the Dwarves in the dark times of the world. Therefore he maid them strong, stout en far more resistant to fire, corruption and I believe even magic (the seven Rings of Power, for example) than any other race. With this natural advantage comes the fact that the Dwarves made armour that Elves could not rival. With these two added the Dwarves were far more resistant to Glaurung than any other, save perhaps the most powerful Elves and Men. I think that this is the reason that the Dwarves managed to drive him off, being harder to destroy than the others, but the Dwarves couldn't kill him. They didn't manage to get through his armour, just as the Dwarves of Erebor could'n't pierce the armour of Smaug. Greetings, lathspell |
Are Elves stupid?
Yes. They are also very stuck up. ;)
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I think the dwarves just had a built in advantage in that they were harder to set on fire, and fire is the dragon's primary weapon. |
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