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Khand-Moria-Carn dum coincidence
I was messing around with the Atlas of Middle Earth and i noriced something peculiar. Take a strait edge. Khand, Khazad0dum and Carn Num are on this line, somewhat. Is this a coincidence? Probably. Why would the witch king's realm, the gratest dwarf kingdom, and a smaller ally of mordor be connected? There could be speculation.
Language. Kuzdul is not know fluently by anybody besides dwarves, but we no it is rough, almost harsh. Carn dum-khazad dum. Carn could origanally be karn. dum means halls. perhaps that meant a colony off of near by gundabad before angmar showed up? Khand, too has the'kh' motif of kuzdul. Like carn dum, it is in the area of the enemy. The mountains that strike out NE from the mountains of shadow in the area of khand give for the geographic possibility of a dwarf city. Besides the longbeards, brodbeams and firebeards, there are four other dwarf fathers left, and they appeared in pairs. Tolkien didnt mean any of this, but it sure shows possibility. I just thought this was interesting. What do you think? ________ New jersey marijuana dispensary |
Carn-dum was an old dwarf holding from back in the days when the Longbeards were spread all up and down the Misty Mountains.
It is unlikely there was any dwarven connection to Khand. It just happened to have the "Kh" sound at the beginning of it. See here. |
Origin of Carn Dûm
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B) The fact that the Longbeards had all the Misty Mountains north of Khazad-dûm in their gnarled grip for millennia. It is near Gundabad (which was a stronghold of the Longbeards for much of those same millennia). C) I can't recall ever seeing anything about any Men being in the area. The Men in the general area lived by the river on the other side of the mountains. You add all these up and you come up with a convincing case. Tolkien’s essay “Of Dwarves and Men” is very illuminating in issues like this. |
I will say i used what i had read off of E of A on the Carn dum entry, and the entrys about the seven dwarf fathers. I tried to link together this info and make speculation on it. It also said the other two pairs of fathers were, it was either more than or about 1000 miles away from Khazad-dum. That does point towards khand, but since there is no history of khand other than its warriors fighting in two battles against gondor, this is all theory.
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I read through the dwarves and mordor thread, and im sorry i missed it. I have a few questions, which may be on tangent of my own thread. "wheredid tlkien neame the houses of dwarves besides longbeards, broadbeams, and fire beards? (ironfists, stiffbeards) are those in the Peoples of ME or something? and from what the Atlas of middle earth shows, mordor was in the first age where part of the helcar were, which apparently dried up, leaving the sea of rhun only. i would guess mordor was raised from volanic and plate techtonics, due to mount dooms existance, and the black mountains. so dwarves might have flourished in that diagonal mountain range, which im sure has a different name than the epitel duath.....so since saurin didnt taint the land, and nurn wasnt as bad as gogoroth, i think geolgicallt and politically it would be possible for a dwarvish clan, even by the enemy. Erebor was near the grey mountains, and Rhun, and they onlky fought when attacked, they did not go out to conquer. same with the emyen angren. So there could be a clan, that either eluded sauron, khand, and rhun, or was eliminated by them, and only the name khand perhaps remained. Speculation.
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Well what i'm saying is that they would be awaken near their, not travelled to it.
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I don't think so. The relevant dwarf fathers (and mothers) all awakened much farther to the east.
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Carn-Dum was the holding of The Witch-King during the wars of Arnor, Khand is beyond the mountains of Mordor, south-east, close to Harad, Khazad-Dum is almost in the middle of the Misty Mountains, i can't really see how these are in a straight line...
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My theory is that Easterlings could be a mix of dwarf & men blood. Just look at Khamûl's name, one of the nine Nazgul, and he's an Easterling. Easterlings have just taken the language of Khuzdul and added their own twist to it. |
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Not for certain perhaps, but my first choice. |
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