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Eönwë

04-07-2008 10:33 AM

Just how do you pronounce Aulë's Valarin Name

I'vve been wondering for a while. Just how do you pronounce A3ûlêz?

piosenniel

04-08-2008 08:48 PM

Perhaps you can puzzle it out from HERE (The Ardalambion Site).

& you can try emailing the author of the site; he's a helpful guy.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ardalambion

"The tongues and voices of the Valar are great and stern," Rúmil of Tirion wrote, "and yet also swift and subtle in movement, making sounds that we find hard to counterfeit; and their words are mostly long and rapid, like the glitter of swords, like the rush of leaves in a great wind or the fall of stones in the mountains." Pengolodh is less lyrical, and also less courteous: "Plainly the effect of Valarin upon Elvish ears was not pleasing." (WJ:398) Valarin employed many sounds that were alien to the Eldarin languages.

Aiwendil

04-08-2008 09:18 PM

I believe the special 'g' that's often rendered '3' represents a voiced back spirant - something like the 'ch' in 'Bach' or 'Chanukah' but with the vocal chords vibrating (like the 'gh' in Klingon 'gagh' if you're a Trekkie).

The vowels are undoubtedly supposed to be the continental pronunciation - 'a' as in 'father', 'u' as in 'rule', 'e' like the vowel in 'late'. The circumflexes (actually, I think Tolkien used macrons in Valarin) indicate the 'quantity' or length of the vowel.

The 'l' and 'z' are probably just like English.

That's my best guess, anyway.

Elmo	04-09-2008 04:36 AM

Quote:

Perhaps you can puzzle it out from HERE (The Ardalambion Site).

& you can try emailing the author of the site; he's a helpful guy.

He's never going to finish his Numenor film thing is he. It's been about three years :(

Galin

04-09-2008 08:40 AM

From VT (and from the same text that mentions Aʒūlēz).

'The former presence of initial g could be detected by the comparison of, say, Q. alda 'tree' with T. galla, and the process of loss be deduced from the spelling in the old Rúmilian script ʒalda (using an initial sign which was known by tradition among the loremasters to have represented the open back spirant).' JRRT

That's from Quendi And Eldar Appendix D published in Vinyar Tengwar 39. In Return of the King it is noted: 'gh in the Black Speech and Orcish represents a 'back spirant' (related to g as dh to d); as in ghâsh and agh.'

Just to source a couple things (outside of the web).

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