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Elmo 02-18-2012 05:37 AM

Would the Valar have ever driven Morgoth into the void without the Noldor's rebellion
 
Without the Noldor doing what they did there would have been no Earendil; so there would have been no messenger on behalf of the two kindred; so there would have been no War of the Wrath. Morgoth would still be troubling the world in the 7th age if the Noldor hadn't got a bit naughty when some glittery things got nicked. :Merisu:

Galadriel55 02-18-2012 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Elmo (Post 667276)
Without the Noldor doing what they did there would have been no Earendil; so there would have been no messenger on behalf of the two kindred; so there would have been no War of the Wrath. Morgoth would still be troubling the world in the 7th age if the Noldor hadn't got a bit naughty when some glittery things got nicked. :Merisu:

If he didn't succeed with the Noldor, Morgoth would have found some other people to corrupt, and there would have been a different Earendil and a different War. Or, alternatively, he would not have succeeded with anyone, but the Valar would have guessed his intentions and kicked him out before he got out of hand again.

However, his plans worked on the Noldor, so everything that's above is just "what ifs". The Noldor were such a people that Morgoth could not have failed to rile them up.

Galadriel 02-18-2012 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Galadriel55 (Post 667282)
If he didn't succeed with the Noldor, Morgoth would have found some other people to corrupt, and there would have been a different Earendil and a different War. Or, alternatively, he would not have succeeded with anyone, but the Valar would have guessed his intentions and kicked him out before he got out of hand again.

The Valar would definitely have kicked Morgoth out...after half the Elvish population in Beleriand was wiped out. Then they'd cup their chins in their hands and say, "Hmm. Enough talk. Let's do something."


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