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Elfa Arwena 08-23-2002 03:34 PM

2 questions about the 7 and the 9 rings
 
I would like to have your opinion about this:

The first question is:
How did the Seven and the Nine rings differ?

And the second:
Were the Seven and the Nine rings originally intended for Dwarfs and Men?

Greetings from Rivendel [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Elfa Arwena

The Barrow-Wight 08-23-2002 04:13 PM

The rings were explained nicely in our Rings of Power Theme which also includes links to about 20 other Rings topics.

Check them out! They are great and will probably answer all of your questions.

Feel free to continue any of them or return her if you don't find what you are looking for.

Thanks!

PaladinTook 08-26-2002 11:10 AM

All rings of power, save the one, were forged with the intent that they should help that wielder govern their race and realm. So there was little difference between the 7 and 9. The 7 and 9 rings were intended for dwarves and men, yes. Sauron had a hand in the forging of the great rings and touched all but the 3. (which is why the three are not corrupted.) All of the 7 were lost over time, and the nine, as we know, turned the kings that bore them into ringwraiths.
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BeeBombadil 08-26-2002 12:22 PM

Not all of the Dwarf rings were lost over time. Sauron reclaimed three, if I recall correctly. The other four were lost.

Aranel 08-26-2002 12:27 PM

It wasn't the rings that were so different,it was the recipients,wasn't it? The dwarves were hard to goven and bend to Sauron's will,but Men took them and willingly did everything he wanted them to do because of their lust for power,I think.

Elfa Arwena 08-26-2002 12:46 PM

Yes, that's what I think, but there are people who think that they are different, basing on this:

Quote:

"There Sauron took the Nine Rings and other lesser works of the Mirdain; but the Seven and the Three he could not find. Then Celbrimbor revealed, because neither the Seven nor the Nine did he value as he valued the Three" ("History of Galadriel and Celebron", Unfinished Tales)
And this could be read as the Nine were considered with less value...

Greetings from Rivendel,

Elfa Arwena

Ithaeliel 08-26-2002 04:27 PM

As long as we're on the subject of the Seven and the Nine, I have another question:

Why weren't the seven Dwarf-lords affected by their rings as the Nine were affected by theirs? They were tainted by Sauron, yet the dwarves did not become slaves to his will as the nine kings of Men did. The Seven rings were worn by their bearers just as long as the Nine were by theirs. Was it because Sauron was so wrapped up in his hatred for men and will to dominate them that he paid no heed to the dwarves? Did they resist?

Davin 08-26-2002 04:46 PM

Aranel already explained this above I believe...
Quote:

The dwarves were hard to govern and bend to Sauron's will, but Men took them and willingly did everything he wanted them to do because of their lust for power...
Dwarves are not Men, and Men are not Dwarves. Dwarves are not so easily controlled, and they desired Gold and other Rocky Rocks while Men desired power. So Men were ensared easily while the Dwarves were not.

akhtene 08-26-2002 04:47 PM

The answer to this is in the Appendix ("Durin's Folk") I'm just too lazy to type the paragraph. [img]smilies/confused.gif[/img] Too cut the long story short, Dwarves by their nature are immune to any domination.
Perhaps that's why Sauron took pains to dispossess the dwarves of their rings (through orks and dragons)

Ransom 08-26-2002 05:24 PM

Somewhere in the appendex I think it says the last four of the Dwarven rings were eaten by dragons.


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