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Dragon-Helm
<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Shadow of Malice
Posts: 694</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Does it strike anyone else as odd that the Helm of Hador was named the Dragon-Helm of Dor-Lòmin? For one, was the helm named such before the first dragons appeared. I don't think it was, but it still could have been. And another thing that seems odd is that it would carry the name of foes of Men and Elves. I am expecting a logical answer from Mithadan since he has done this the past few times I have started a topic. However lindil seems to be answering many questions of late and it would be of no suprise for him to enlighten me <img src=wink.gif ALT=";)"> Thus even as Eru spoke to us shall beauty not before conceived be brought into Eä, and evil be good to have been.</p> |
<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Haunting Spirit
Posts: 88</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: Dragon-Helm is ok if i answer? in UT it says that the dragon helm of dorlomin was made after the first battle they had with Glurung and had an image of a dragon carved on it or it was forged in the image of a dragons head in mockery of Glaurung. im not going into the exact details because id have to look it up but thats basically what it says Visit me at <a href=http://pub16.ezboard.com/blorien16140>Lorien</a> friend of <a href=http://pub16.ezboard.com/bamongwareth>Amon Gwareth</a> and <a href=http://pub2.ezboard.com/brivendel>Rivendel</a> find my corpse at <a href=http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi>The Barrowdowns</a> </p> |
Deadnight Chanter
Posts: 930 Re: Dragon-Helm Answer being given already, I'll add some detail, for truly... Quote:
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<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Shadow of Malice
Posts: 695</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: Dragon-Helm I did not expect it. But it makes sense. A dwarf helm and all. I knew it was made by Telchar, But I didn't know it was actually for a dwarf. Thus even as Eru spoke to us shall beauty not before conceived be brought into Eä, and evil be good to have been.</p> |
<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Seeker of the Straight Path
Posts: 502</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Turin It is one of the many tragedies [and in theis case irony] that Turin did not make full use of the Helm when he confronted glaurung in Nargothrond, all would have been different had he kept the visor down! Lindil is often found on posting on the Silmarillion Project at the Barrowowns and working on his new discussion board<a href="http://beta.ezboard.com/bosanwekenta" >Osanwe-Kenta</a> 'The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night, and awaken early before dawn- exchanging lore and wisdom such as they possessed , so that they should not fall back into the mean and low estate of those , who never knew or more sadly still, had indeed rebelled against the Light.' </p> |
<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Wight
Posts: 110</TD><TD><img src=http://www.chickpages.com/fanland/mischiefsdollys/images/unidoll44.gif WIDTH=60 HEIGHT=60></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: Turin he did make full use of it, sort of, just Glaurung tricked him into lifting it up. Visit me at <a href=http://pub16.ezboard.com/blorien16140>Lorien</a> friend of <a href=http://pub16.ezboard.com/bamongwareth>Amon Gwareth</a> and <a href=http://pub2.ezboard.com/brivendel>Rivendel</a> find my corpse at <a href=http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi>The Barrowdowns</a> </p> |
<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Animated Skeleton
Posts: 29</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: Turin How did Glaurung trick him into lifting it? i mean i just read it in the silmarillion that he just came up to the dragon and looked him in the eye and was caught in the dragon's spell. But if you have another source then i will refute what i just said. </p> |
Deadnight Chanter
Posts: 935 Re: Turin In UT, if I rememeber correctly, is said that at first Turin was afraid to look at Glaurung in the eye, but Glaurung taunted him, calling him coward (not so literary but in very close terms), so, angered Turin lifted the visor of his helm. Another question how the helm got to Nargothrond at all, since it was obviously carried by orcs who’s captive Turin has been, but there’s no report of Beleg and Gwindor getting hold of it. |
<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Wight
Posts: 119</TD><TD><img src=http://www.chickpages.com/fanland/mischiefsdollys/images/unidoll44.gif WIDTH=60 HEIGHT=60></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: Turin i thought turin was carrying it? how did the orcs capture turin? sorry i can't remember Visit me at <a href=http://pub16.ezboard.com/blorien16140>Lorien</a> friend of <a href=http://pub16.ezboard.com/bamongwareth>Amon Gwareth</a> and <a href=http://pub2.ezboard.com/brivendel>Rivendel</a> find my corpse at <a href=http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi>The Barrowdowns</a> </p> |
Deadnight Chanter
Posts: 937 Re: Turin Orcs obviously get hold of the helm when Turin was taken captive on Amon Rudh, yet there is no statement that Beleg and Gwindor have taken the helm back, when they released Turin |
Deadnight Chanter
Posts: 938 Re: Dragon-Helm Here is the whole passage of UT: Quote:
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<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Spirit of Mist
Posts: 758</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: Dragon-Helm Sorry Durelen, Mithadan has been very busy of late (and actually absent for periods of time). Nice to know I've been missed. <img src=wink.gif ALT=";)"> --Mithadan-- "The Silmarils with living light were kindled clear, and waxing bright shone like stars that in the North above the reek of earth leap forth." </p> |
<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Seeker of the Straight Path
Posts: 526</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: Dragon-Helm There he is. Just posting about you in the Silm forum. I put up a little DoV thread w/ your name on it. <img src=smile.gif ALT=":)"> lindil </p> |
The image of the Dragon on the helm appears to have been the head of the Dragon, though the description used in the new Children of Hurin more easily allows for Alan Lee's interpretation.
Anyway, I wonder what people imagine the visor itself to look like (I can't remember any artistic renderings of it myself). In the Grey Annals (§232): 'Now the Naugrim withstood fire more hardily than either Elves of Men, and it was the custom of the Enfeng to wear great masks (struck out: or vizors) in battle hideous to look upon, which stood them in great stead against the drakes.' Compare to the description from Unfinished Tales: 'It had a visor (after the manner of those that the Dwarves used in their forges for the shielding of their eyes), and the face of one that wore it struck fear into the hearts of all beholders,...' In commentary to the Grey Annals (§280) we find that Túrin 'thrust up the visor and looked Glaurung in the eye' (in both the published Silmarillion and The Children of Húrin Turin does not have the Helm at this point). Anyway, any ideas? I thought maybe (and perhaps like one of the battle-masks) a distorted image of an angry dwarf-face? for one possibility. |
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http://www.britishmuseum.org/explore...burial_at.aspx Can't prove it, but the original reconstruction was published by Herbert Maryon in 1946, and I find it hard to believe that it would not have struck Tolkien's fancy, as enamored of that culture and time period as he was. |
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