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Meela 02-20-2003 12:13 PM

Family feuds
 
why did Denethor not like Faramir?

if thats the correct statement... i know they didnt get on, but i dont know how far it went

lord of dor-lomin 02-20-2003 01:00 PM

I know there's a couple exact quotes that would give a better explanation, but I don't have my book now.

To sum it up to the best of my memory, Faramir didn't have as much pride as Denethor and Boromir. For instance, Denethor didn't want to be replaced by the true king, where as Faramir welcomed him back. Also, Denethor saw Gandalf as an accomplice to Aragorn in the "plot" to supplant him, so he didn't like Gandalf much, but Faramir liked Gandalf and talked with him, so that's another point.

the phantom 02-20-2003 01:03 PM

But don't forget that deep down, Denethor did love his son, it's just that politics got in the way (and Sauron's evil influence).

Manwe Sulimo 02-20-2003 02:32 PM

Yep, loved him to the point of immolation. I wish I loved my children that way [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img]

eleanor_niphredil 02-20-2003 02:51 PM

I always saw it as a connection to Gandalf. denethor thought that gandalf had taken his son, and so refuses to love a "wizards pupil". However, no man can truly hate their son/daughtor.

Rynoah, the Overly-Happy 02-20-2003 02:59 PM

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Yep, loved him to the point of immolation. I wish I loved my children that way
Not sure if this is right (again, I haven't read the books for almost a year) but I believe that Denethor tried to burn Faramir because he didn't want him living with the "shame" that Gondor had become. Or something like that. Maybe it's just my own wishing of it.


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