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lindil 01-15-2001 06:39 AM

I can't believe I never noticed this
 
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I have read the Silm , more than a few times , but this passge finally came to my attention .
It is not exactly a qoute but it is attributable, to whom?

&quot;...whose power is at rest,whose joy is as an air that they breathe all their days,whose thought flows in a tide untroubled from the heights to the deeps&quot;.

'The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night, and awaken early before dawn- exchanging lore and wisdom such as they possessed , so that they should not fall back into the mean and low estate of those , who never knew or more sadly still, had indeed rebelled against the Light.' Lindil is often found on posting on the Silmarillion Canon Forum at the Barrowdowns discussion board. </p>

Mister Underhill 01-16-2001 11:35 AM

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Re: I can't believe I never noticed this

Seems like a reference to Ilúvatar. I suppose it's too simple to attribute the quasi-quote to Manwë?

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HerenIstarion 01-17-2001 10:40 AM

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Quote:

In Beleriand in those days the Elves walked, and the rivers flowed, and the stars shone, and the night-flowers gave forth their scents; and the beauty of Melian was as the noon, and the beauty of Lúthien was as the dawn in spring. In Beleriand King Thingol upon his throne was as the lords of the Maiar, whose power is at rest, whose joy is as an air that they breathe in all their days, whose thought flows in a tide untroubled from the heights to the deeps. In Beleriand still at times rode Oromë the great, passing like a wind over the mountains, and the sound of his horn came down the leagues of the starlight, and the Elves feared him for the splendour of his countenance and the great noise of the onrush of Nahar; but when the Valaróma echoed in the hills, they knew well that all evil things were fled far away.
Of The Sindar

But the attributes you quote are applied to one of the Maiar, to whom Thingol is merely compared

PS Why did you reveal your own secret in another post? :eek:

PPS Anyways, thanks. I reread half a Silm last night in search of an answer. It was great as usual :D (going to go on tonight)

...less doth yearning trouble him who knoweth many songs, or with his hands can touch the harp - his possesion is his gift of glee which God gave him...

lindil 01-23-2001 01:12 AM

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Sorry

I revealed it the other post because I thought it was so beautiful , i didn't care!
as for the attributes being of the Maiar, yes it is true , but the tale is saying that Thingol had [due in large part to his union w. a maia] attained this state [for a while!].

Ask on.

Lindil is often found on posting on the New Silmarillion Canon Forum at the Barrowdowns discussion board. 'The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night, and awaken early before dawn- exchanging lore and wisdom such as they possessed , so that they should not fall back into the mean and low estate of those , who never knew or more sadly still, had indeed rebelled against the Light.' </p>

HerenIstarion 02-06-2001 12:11 PM

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after a delay


...for which i beg your pardon.


Let us make this thread a place not for proper, but attributable quotes. So, who was described as one who

Quote:

walked among them unseen, or in form as one of them, and they did not know whence came the fair visions or the promptings of wisdom that he put into their hearts

amyrlis 02-06-2001 12:17 PM

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Re: I can't believe I never noticed this

I would guess that's a descriptoin of one of the Istari, namely Gandalf.

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HerenIstarion 02-06-2001 12:30 PM

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I'll take a risk of being thought pedantic, but I insist on being given his proper name according to the period when the attribute was applied to him (Gandalf is a given name of far more later period)

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Re: I can't believe I never noticed this

Olorin! (sorry, I haven't learned how to create the accent marks yet)

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HerenIstarion 02-06-2001 01:12 PM

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Now I'm well pleased :), carry on

For accents, press and hold down the ALT key while typing the four number code on your NUMPAD, then release ALT.

À 0192
à 0224
Á 0193
á 0225
 0194
â 0226
Ä 0195
ä 0228
Æ 0198
æ 0230
È 0200
è 0232
É 0201
é 0233
Ê 0202
ê 0234
Ë 0203
ë 0235
Ì 0204
ì 0236
Í 0205
í 0237
Î 0206
î 0238
Ï 0207
ï 0239
Ò 0210
ò 0242
Ó 0211
ó 0243
Ô 0212
ô 0244
Ö 0214
ö 0246
Ù 0217
ù 0249
Ú 0218
ú 0250
Û 0219
û 0251
Ü 0220
ü 0252
Ý 0221
ý 0253
ÿ 0255

To quote Mr. Underhill, whom I own the info, Now you can make cool (and accurate) references to the likes of Húrin, Mîm, or Aulë at will. Enjoy!

amyrlis 02-06-2001 02:27 PM

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Re: I can't believe I never noticed this

Thanks for the accent info!

About whom (or who?) was this said:

<blockquote>Quote:<hr> &quot;A tall crown he wore like silver, from which his long hair fell down as foam glimmering in the dusk...&quot;<hr></blockquote>



-amyrlis</p>

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Re: I can't believe I never noticed this

Ulmo?

<h6>'Spring is all around you / and calls your name softly in the wind / Burning when the day is dying / she kills the rays of a boundless sun. / And falls after years of death / eternally on your tears of joy. / So feel, feel the hands of glory / that will lead you into a golden sea.' (Kirlian Camera, 'Ascension') </h6></p>

amyrlis 02-06-2001 03:06 PM

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Re: I can't believe I never noticed this

<blockquote>Quote:<hr> &quot;...and he cast back the grey mantle that hung about him like a mist, behold! he was clad in a gleaming coat, close fitted as the mail of a mighty fish, and in a kirtle of deep green that flashed and flickered with sea-fire as he strode slowly toward the land. In this manner the Dweller of the Deep, whom the Nolder name Ulmo, Lord of Waters, showed himself...&quot;<hr></blockquote>

You are correct Sharku! Carry on.

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Sharkû 02-07-2001 10:18 AM

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Re: I can't believe I never noticed this

Easy, but I can't resist...

&quot;a big thick-limbed horse, and on it sat a man of wide shoulders and huge girth, but old and grey-bearded, yet mail-clad and black-helmed and bearing a long heavy spear.&quot;

Who is it?


<h6>'Spring is all around you / and calls your name softly in the wind / Burning when the day is dying / she kills the rays of a boundless sun. / And falls after years of death / eternally on your tears of joy. / So feel, feel the hands of glory / that will lead you into a golden sea.' (Kirlian Camera, 'Ascension') </h6></p>

HerenIstarion 02-07-2001 10:48 AM

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Forlong

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Re: I can't believe I never noticed this

Forlong the Fat, for you!
<img src=wink.gif ALT=";)"> Correct, you hasty Ghost-Prince!

<h6>'Spring is all around you / and calls your name softly in the wind / Burning when the day is dying / she kills the rays of a boundless sun. / And falls after years of death / eternally on your tears of joy. / So feel, feel the hands of glory / that will lead you into a golden sea.' (Kirlian Camera, 'Ascension') </h6></p>

HerenIstarion 02-07-2001 11:37 AM

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Aye, I am fast, fast, fast mwahahahaha! :D

Or, more seriously, here's the next one up:

Quote:

Death you can give me earned or unearned; but the names I will not take from you of baseborn, nor spy, nor thrall

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Re: I can't believe I never noticed this

Beren

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HerenIstarion 02-08-2001 09:41 AM

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Correct. your turn to puzzle us

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Re: I can't believe I never noticed this

&quot;If Saruman has become evil, as you say, then their [the Rohirrim's] doom canot be long delayed.&quot;

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HerenIstarion 02-08-2001 10:40 AM

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Gwaihir the Windlord to Gandalf the Grey

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Re: I can't believe I never noticed this

RIGHT ! Had to get a Gwaihir quote in there.

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HerenIstarion 02-11-2001 03:37 AM

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Quote:

'Dark have been my dreams of late,' ... 'but I feel as one new-awakened'

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Re: I can't believe I never noticed this

Théoden to Gandalf?

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HerenIstarion 02-13-2001 09:47 AM

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Correct. Ask on

...without the high and noble the simple and vulgar is utterly mean; and without the simple and ordinary the noble and heroic is meaningless...

KayQy 02-15-2001 04:51 AM

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Re: I can't believe I never noticed this

Ok...
<blockquote>Quote:<hr> But tell me, who are you, alone, yourself and nameless?<hr></blockquote>

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Re: I can't believe I never noticed this

Could that be Smaug to Bilbo during their banter inside Erebor?

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KayQy 02-15-2001 12:32 PM

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Good guess. But no.



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Re: I can't believe I never noticed this

Should I give a hint?

But tell me, who are you, alone, yourself and nameless?</p>

HerenIstarion 02-18-2001 02:21 PM

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It would be nice of you :)

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Re: I can't believe I never noticed this

OK, here's what the speaker says right before:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr> Don't you know my name yet? That's the only answer.<hr></blockquote>
This might be a bit of a giveaway for some... but then maybe I'm the only one who's been dwelling on it. <img src=wink.gif ALT=";)">

But tell me, who are you, alone, yourself and nameless?</p>

HerenIstarion 02-21-2001 10:10 AM

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I've found it - 'twas Tom Bombadil to Frodo :)

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Re: I can't believe I never noticed this

Congratulations! Of course I'm not going to mention that this happens to back up my stand in the TB thread. <img src=wink.gif ALT=";)"> Ask us!

But tell me, who are you, alone, yourself and nameless?</p>

HerenIstarion 02-23-2001 12:09 PM

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Quote:

Now come with me and taste the new wine that has just come in

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Re: Invitation to Wine

Galion the Elvenking's butler, to the chief of the guards.

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HerenIstarion 02-24-2001 09:59 AM

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Correct, ask on.

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Re: Speak Memory

Who said:

<blockquote>Quote:<hr> Memory is not what the heart desires. That is only a mirror . . . <hr></blockquote>

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Mister Underhill 02-28-2001 03:37 PM

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Re: Speak Memory

Gimli to Legolas, lamenting his departure from Lórien (and the presence of Galadriel).

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Re: Speak Memory

Correct; your turn.

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Mister Underhill 02-28-2001 06:15 PM

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Re: Speak Memory

<blockquote>Quote:<hr> I do not wish for any sword.<hr></blockquote>Who to whom?

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Re: Speak Memory

Frodo to . . . Gandalf? On the field of Cormallen?

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