Sméagol's Age
 

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Hello all,
How old was Gollum when he fell into the fire of Sammath Naur? I get something like 565 years old, or so. Can anyone correct this, or concur?
Hantalyën,

Imbëar

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Re: Sméagol's Age

I believe he was 589! <img src=smile.gif ALT=":)">

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Re: Sméagol's Age

Does it give his birthdate anywhere? It was 556 years from the time he murdered Déagol to his own death. Assuming they were both fairly young at that time, 589 sounds about right.

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I don't remember where I heard it, but Smeagol was 33 when found the ring, count all the years to 3019, and you get his age!

...he heard Theodred's great voice cry "To me, Eorlingas!"</p>

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Thanks!

I was in the ball park, so to speak.
Where might I read for myself this thirty-three year old information? Sounds like a Christ reference.

Imbëar

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But that was how old frodo was when he got the ring. Is it a coincidence or did you get them mixed up?

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I think it's a coincidence! <img src=smile.gif ALT=":)">

...he heard Theodred's great voice cry "To me, Eorlingas!"</p>

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Re: Sméagol's Age

How do you prounounce Sméagol? SH-MEE-GUL, SH-MEE-GEL, S-MEE-GUL, S-MEE-GEL?

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Re: Sméagol's Age

I pronounce it SMEE-GULL. I think 589 sounds about right to me. After the evidence against him being 33 when he stole the ring I think that he is late 580's, early 590's. Wouldn't that make him the oldest living hobbit, seeing has he originated as a hobbit of sorts?

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Re: Sméagol's Age

I always pronounced it SMAYGOL, never knowing if that was correct or not.

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Re: Sméagol's Age

I always pronounced it SMEE-GULL! <img src=smile.gif ALT=":)">

...he heard Theodred's great voice cry "To me, Eorlingas!"</p>

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Re: Sméagol's Age

I always say &quot;Smee-gol&quot;. <img src=smile.gif ALT=":)">

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Re: Sméagol's Age

I don't know the origions of the term smeagol but if it is quenay then instead of the -ea- bing pronouned as a diphthong (along with eo, ie, io, oa, etc) each letter us pronounced distinctly



SMEE-A-GOL perhaps?

I am not that well-verse in quenay so I may be wrong <img src=frown.gif ALT=":(">

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Re: Sméagol's Age

It isn't Quenya, it's (probably modernized) Ancient English (IIRC vaguely related to smial, both containing the root 'burrow').

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old hobbit

I pronounce the vowels separately, as indicated in the note on pronunciation.

The first long -é- I soften to rhyme with english &quot;may,&quot; and the -a- I flatten to an -æ- to rhyme with &quot;mat.&quot;

Smay-æ-goal, yesss my precioussss. We all give him that cartoon hiss though, I suppose <img src=smile.gif ALT=":)">

Imbëar

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Re: old hobbit

i say it &quot;smay-a-gol&quot;

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I like Theo's suggestion SHMEE - GOL though, sounds like a Jewish pastry. &lt;Have a bit of shmeegol.&gt;

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Re: old hobbit

Have any of you heard the audio of &quot;Herbs and stewed Rabbit&quot; that JRRT Himself read?
It has both Sam, Frodo and Smeagol himself pronouncing it SMEE-GOL!

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Re: old hobbit

If it's good enough for Tolkien, it's good enough for me! <img src=smile.gif ALT=":)">

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Re: old hobbit

Well, than that settles it then! <img src=smile.gif ALT=":)">

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Funny, isn't it, how the Ring seems to mimic elven longevity.