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Forum: The Books
08-01-2003, 10:00 AM
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Replies: 105
Views: 33,558
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Nils
I can't get around the fact that this will...I can't get around the fact that this will logically mean that Eru is in part evil, based on Eru's own definition of evil. That the only way Eru' would not be evil would be if Eru changes the rules.... |
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Forum: The Books
08-01-2003, 09:03 AM
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Replies: 105
Views: 33,558
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So why don't you believe that Orcs were created...So why don't you believe that Orcs were created by Melkor? If you consider the Silmarillion to be one of JRR's works, then why do you consider the Silmarillion a more important work than Morgoth's... |
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Forum: The Books
08-01-2003, 08:00 AM
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Replies: 46
Views: 14,360
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First off, I don't believe their fading has to do...First off, I don't believe their fading has to do with incapatability. It has to do with the natural rate of decay in Middle-earth, about 144 times faster than in the Blessed Land. Yes, men... |
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Forum: The Books
07-31-2003, 09:59 PM
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Replies: 46
Views: 14,360
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Telchar, From Myths Transformed pg 426
On...Telchar, From Myths Transformed pg 426 On Earth while an elf-child did but grow to be a man or a woman, in some 3000 years... As far as the Reincarnation thing goes, Tolkien's later view was... |
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Forum: Haudh-en-Ndengin
07-31-2003, 05:42 PM
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Replies: 24
Views: 34,072
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Nils
Statements like these lead me to believe that...Statements like these lead me to believe that many people believe Orcs had to originate with Elves. All the movie did was cement that belief even more. smilies/rolleyes.gif [ July 31, 2003:... |
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Forum: Haudh-en-Ndengin
07-31-2003, 05:23 PM
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Replies: 24
Views: 34,072
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Which is exactly why I get so frustrated with the...Which is exactly why I get so frustrated with the idea that Orks had to originate with Elves. |
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Forum: The Books
07-31-2003, 05:21 PM
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Replies: 105
Views: 33,558
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Nils
I take it then that you consider the Silmarillion...I take it then that you consider the Silmarillion to be one of those original books that you base your ideas on. I guess it depends on one's age as to the Silmarillion's influence on one's... |
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Forum: The Books
07-31-2003, 03:18 PM
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Replies: 105
Views: 33,558
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I agree that the Tolkien did not really come to...I agree that the Tolkien did not really come to grips with Orc Origins, but hey, he didn't really come to grips with the origins of the Sun, Moon and Stars either. smilies/wink.gif What does seem... |
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Forum: Haudh-en-Ndengin
07-31-2003, 03:06 PM
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Replies: 24
Views: 34,072
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Nils
Esgallhugwen,
As Orogaerion has correctly...Esgallhugwen, As Orogaerion has correctly pointed out, it was Eru who gave life to the Dwarves. Aule merely created their bodies. It is my opinion that we should try to take Tolkien's... |
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Forum: Haudh-en-Ndengin
07-30-2003, 09:46 PM
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Replies: 24
Views: 34,072
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Forum: Haudh-en-Ndengin
07-30-2003, 09:13 PM
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Replies: 24
Views: 34,072
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Nils
Yet the Silmarillion was not published by JRR...Yet the Silmarillion was not published by JRR Tolkien. Besides, even in the Silmarillion it is a qualified statement. The Orc statement is an "it is said by the wise" statement. It was also... |
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Forum: Haudh-en-Ndengin
07-30-2003, 09:00 PM
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Replies: 24
Views: 34,072
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Why do so many people believe that Orcs were...Why do so many people believe that Orcs were originally Elves? |
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Forum: The Books
07-30-2003, 06:33 PM
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Replies: 105
Views: 33,558
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Nils
What ever gets published first. smilies/wink.gif...What ever gets published first. smilies/wink.gif From The Two Towers, Treebeard But Trolls are only counterfeits, made by the Enemy in the Great Darnkness, in mockery of Ents, as Orcs were of... |
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Forum: The Books
07-30-2003, 05:33 PM
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Replies: 105
Views: 33,558
Posted By
Nils
If you are going to say "no they must have...If you are going to say "no they must have souls", but Eru (represented by Tolkien) says "no they don't", then I don't believe Eru need live up to your expectation. Having said that, I don't think... |
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Forum: The Books
07-30-2003, 04:57 PM
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Replies: 105
Views: 33,558
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This assumes of course that Orcs have souls.
...This assumes of course that Orcs have souls. In any case, I believe this comment from Morgoth's Ring applies: The Elves certainly held and taught that fear or ‘spirits’ may grow of their own... |
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Forum: The Books
07-30-2003, 04:22 PM
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Replies: 105
Views: 33,558
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It seems to me that Tolkien struggled with this...It seems to me that Tolkien struggled with this issue. It would be interesting to compare the date of that letter with Tolkien's writings in Myths Transformed. As I quoted earlier, in it Tolkien... |
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Forum: The Books
07-30-2003, 01:06 PM
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Replies: 105
Views: 33,558
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Nils
Tolkien answers both of your questions in...Tolkien answers both of your questions in Morgoth's Ring. Here is the quote: Melkor ‘incarnated’ himself (as Morgoth) permanently. He did this so as the control the hroa, and ‘flesh’ or physical... |
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Forum: The Books
07-30-2003, 11:32 AM
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Replies: 105
Views: 33,558
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Yes, Melkor was created with free will which...Yes, Melkor was created with free will which allows for the potential to go against Eru's will which would defined as evil. Yes, this is true. Yes, I agree that Eru understood that when he gave his... |
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Forum: The Books
07-30-2003, 08:50 AM
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Replies: 105
Views: 33,558
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vs. Evidently you don't believe that...vs. Evidently you don't believe that Middle-earth is Tolkien's world. If you did, then you wouldn't believe certain things were just Tolkien's personal ideas. According to Tolkien, Eru is good... |
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Forum: The Books
07-29-2003, 01:48 PM
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Replies: 105
Views: 33,558
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Here is a continuation of the quote from...Here is a continuation of the quote from Morgoth's Ring that I posted earlier. |
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Forum: The Books
07-29-2003, 08:33 AM
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Replies: 105
Views: 33,558
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You don't believe that animals have their own...You don't believe that animals have their own minds and selfishnesses? I agree with you. The problem with the Silmarillion is that it was never published by JRR. Why should what it says over ride... |
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Forum: The Books
07-28-2003, 09:33 PM
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Replies: 105
Views: 33,558
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No problem. If there was only one book from HoME...No problem. If there was only one book from HoME that I could get, I think it would be Morgoth's Ring. |
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Forum: The Books
07-28-2003, 08:55 PM
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Replies: 105
Views: 33,558
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I'm sorry, but I thought this discussion was...I'm sorry, but I thought this discussion was purely in the context of Tolkien's Mythology. Here is a quote from Morgoth's Ring that describes one of Tolkien's later views on Orcs. From section... |
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Forum: The Books
07-28-2003, 08:39 PM
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Replies: 105
Views: 33,558
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Nils
I agree with Sharku when he said:
let me add...I agree with Sharku when he said: let me add that while the notion of orcs being corrupted Elves may have been the idea at the time of Tolkien's writing of LotR, later theories should be given... |
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Forum: The Books
07-28-2003, 06:10 PM
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Replies: 105
Views: 33,558
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From Letter 183 If no rational being can be...From Letter 183 If no rational being can be wholly evil, then if Orcs are rational, they can't be completely evil. If one takes the view that Orcs were talking beasts without a 'rational soul',... |
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