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Forum: The Books
03-20-2014, 01:11 PM
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Replies: 73
Views: 37,546
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cellurdur
How did they fight to the drop of other people's...
How did they fight to the drop of other people's blood? Beren was set an unfair quest which he did not ask for or want. Luthien for the love of Beren and his desire to remain faithful to his oath... |
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Forum: The Books
03-20-2014, 01:09 PM
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Replies: 53
Views: 24,218
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cellurdur
This is why I said I assumed they are 'internal'....
This is why I said I assumed they are 'internal'. However, even if this is a case of Tolkien changing his mind we have Imrahil's words that the story of extra Elf blood flowing through the veins of... |
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Forum: The Books
03-20-2014, 12:44 PM
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Replies: 73
Views: 37,546
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cellurdur
Not at all. Luthien gives Beren the option of...
Not at all. Luthien gives Beren the option of abandoning the quest and leaving with her. It would have been dishonourable on Beren's part, but something he could have done and still left with... |
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Forum: The Books
03-20-2014, 12:42 PM
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Replies: 141
Views: 107,735
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cellurdur
We are told he was effectively the Steward's...
We are told he was effectively the Steward's right hand in the appendix. 'In much he (Ecthelion II) did he had the aid and the advice of a great captain whom he loved above all.....He was a great... |
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Forum: The Books
03-20-2014, 12:29 PM
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Replies: 73
Views: 37,546
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cellurdur
No they did it to fulfill an oath they made and...
No they did it to fulfill an oath they made and had many times to turn away. Beren and Luthien had no personal wish to gain a Silmaril. In terms of self sacrifice for the greater good then the... |
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Forum: The Books
03-20-2014, 12:24 PM
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Replies: 53
Views: 24,218
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cellurdur
Well I assume they are 'internal'. We have the...
Well I assume they are 'internal'. We have the one story where the Princes are descendants of Imrazor and Mithrellas. Then we have the other version where the princes are close relatives to... |
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Forum: The Books
03-20-2014, 09:44 AM
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Replies: 141
Views: 107,735
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cellurdur
Why wouldn't he? Denethor expected as much and...
Why wouldn't he? Denethor expected as much and Imrahil seems like a throw back to the Numenoreans of old too. I think it's likely he had some suspicion this was to be the case. Imrahil was also the... |
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Forum: The Books
03-20-2014, 09:41 AM
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Replies: 91
Views: 75,273
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cellurdur
No it is significantly inferior in terms of...
No it is significantly inferior in terms of character development, realism, world building and even pacing. ASOIAF is good entertainment, but lacks the realism, the depth and philosophy behind... |
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Forum: The Books
03-20-2014, 09:38 AM
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Replies: 55
Views: 21,225
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cellurdur
Denethor would not have surrendered the crown and...
Denethor would not have surrendered the crown and there probably would have been a civil war. Aragorn with the support of Dol Amroth, Eomer and probably Faramir would have been victorious, but there... |
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Forum: The Books
03-20-2014, 09:34 AM
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Replies: 73
Views: 37,546
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cellurdur
It's hard to compare such things like this,...
It's hard to compare such things like this, because we all have different capacities. think all we can be expected to do is to do our best. Frodo did that and this is why he was a hero and the ring... |
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Forum: The Books
03-20-2014, 09:31 AM
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Replies: 81
Views: 122,162
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cellurdur
I have felt that Eowyn more than any character...
I have felt that Eowyn more than any character has a similar story to Elrond. It's a shame the two of them never really got to speak properly to each other. I think they would have understood each... |
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Forum: The Books
03-20-2014, 09:29 AM
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Replies: 53
Views: 24,218
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cellurdur
Like with the Princes of Dol Amroth, Tolkien left...
Like with the Princes of Dol Amroth, Tolkien left two versions. I personally now favour the version of Celebrimbor making a second Elessar. The question of Gandalf turning up in the Second Age... |
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Forum: The Books
02-28-2014, 09:13 AM
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Replies: 122
Views: 54,448
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cellurdur
Where do I say that all major characters can be...
Where do I say that all major characters can be precisely and objectively graded on any particular basis? You are pulling a strawman argument. I said certain things can be ranked and Tolkien is often... |
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Forum: The Books
02-27-2014, 10:42 PM
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Replies: 141
Views: 107,735
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cellurdur
This would mean ignoring the early stories about...
This would mean ignoring the early stories about Mandos' decree. All those with mortal blood are mortal unless granted exception. The children of Imrazor would have mortal blood and not being... |
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Forum: The Books
02-27-2014, 10:27 PM
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Replies: 141
Views: 107,735
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cellurdur
This probably has more to do with the Stewards...
This probably has more to do with the Stewards acting with all the powers of the King rather than any ancestry. The nobles would have had to agree for the Stewards to keep ruling. The Civil Wars... |
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Forum: The Books
02-27-2014, 06:39 PM
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Replies: 141
Views: 107,735
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cellurdur
Quickly I meant the beauty of Luthien's SONG and...
Quickly I meant the beauty of Luthien's SONG and not son. Mandos made the decree about Earendil and Elwing son's because they were the only descendants alive at the time. It would be cruel to... |
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Forum: The Books
02-27-2014, 04:55 PM
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Replies: 122
Views: 54,448
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cellurdur
I don't think Tolkien ever did 'abandon' trying...
I don't think Tolkien ever did 'abandon' trying to translate the myths. He simply found the task very difficult and moved onto stories he did not have to 'translate' like the Children of Hurin. ... |
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Forum: The Books
02-27-2014, 04:36 PM
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Replies: 141
Views: 107,735
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cellurdur
Yes I know, which is why I said it was a special...
Yes I know, which is why I said it was a special gift to their family ALONE, because of their sacrifice. It was not something, which would be given to any other Peredhil again. Except it was.... |
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Forum: The Books
02-27-2014, 04:28 PM
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Replies: 141
Views: 107,735
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cellurdur
Yes, because it is in a draft and he chose to...
Yes, because it is in a draft and he chose to leave it out. There is a difference between a note he left about a topic and a draft he discarded with what was published. Or else Strider would still be... |
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Forum: The Books
02-26-2014, 07:29 PM
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Replies: 141
Views: 107,735
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cellurdur
This is from a draft and it does not make the...
This is from a draft and it does not make the appendix. We can speculate on the reason, but Tolkien did decide to leave it out. The Numenoreans were never ones to have big families or even always... |
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Forum: The Books
02-26-2014, 06:21 PM
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Replies: 141
Views: 107,735
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cellurdur
As the Steward announces, the throne of Gondor...
As the Steward announces, the throne of Gondor was passed strictly to the SONS of Anarion. They followed Salic succession, so anyone descendant through the female line would not be eligible for the... |
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Forum: The Books
02-26-2014, 05:50 PM
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Replies: 141
Views: 107,735
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cellurdur
Denethor and Imrahil were brothers-in-law.
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Denethor and Imrahil were brothers-in-law. I was not arguing about Faramir's elvish blood from Finduilas, but whether they are descendants of Anarion from a female line. The House of Stewards... |
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Forum: The Books
02-26-2014, 05:14 PM
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Replies: 122
Views: 54,448
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cellurdur
I am sorry I don't remember. It was something I...
I am sorry I don't remember. It was something I briefly noticed whilst looking for something else, but I can find it during the weekend. I don't think there is much doubt that Tolkien wanted to... |
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Forum: The Books
02-26-2014, 05:06 PM
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Replies: 141
Views: 107,735
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cellurdur
This was from a disregarded draft. At the time...
This was from a disregarded draft. At the time they were chosen as stewards, they may not have had the royal connection. 1000 years ruling over Gondor and having married into the Prince's of Dol... |
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Forum: The Books
02-26-2014, 01:02 PM
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Replies: 122
Views: 54,448
Posted By
cellurdur
No it doesn't. Relativism comes when 'good' and...
No it doesn't. Relativism comes when 'good' and 'bad' are reduced to cultural phenomenons. So for one culture child sacrifice is 'good' and for the other culture it is abhorrent. Nazism in my... |
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