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Forum: The Books 08-22-2015, 06:43 PM
Replies: 23
Views: 9,709
Posted By Saurondil
White Tree A few examples of greed

A pretty prominent one. Examples include:

Melkor
The Dwarves as a People
Feanor
Thingol
Turgon
Ancalime
Tar-Atanamir the Great
Tar-Ciryatan
Forum: The Books 07-13-2013, 11:47 PM
Replies: 3
Views: 1,214
Posted By Saurondil
Alternatively, Ar-Zimraphel may have been a...

Alternatively, Ar-Zimraphel may have been a sincere worshipper of Eru - then again, she may not. The idea is interesting in itself, even though Nan Tasarion is not in Numenor.

The point of the...
Forum: The Books 07-13-2013, 11:41 PM
Replies: 30
Views: 21,119
Posted By Saurondil
The logic that requires Feanor to be blamed for...

The logic that requires Feanor to be blamed for everything, doesn't go far enough - Morgoth is the source of all the evil in Arda, including that in Feanor. Feanor is as much a victim as a criminal -...
Forum: The Books 03-16-2013, 10:42 PM
Replies: 64
Views: 8,158
Posted By Saurondil
White Tree ## Perhaps the constitution of Numenor, so far as...

## Perhaps the constitution of Numenor, so far as it is recoverable, would be enough to ensure that kind of culture. It seems to depend on custom, much more than on statute. In an ideal state, there...
Forum: Chapter-by-Chapter 03-16-2013, 10:31 PM
Replies: 21
Views: 6,789
Posted By Saurondil
White Tree ## TY for the welcome :) I thought it was a...

## TY for the welcome :)

I thought it was a shame that one of Isildur's three elder sons could not have been spared - as (say) the third man to escape the slaughter with Ohtar & Estelmo. Tolkien...
Forum: The Books 03-16-2013, 10:20 PM
Replies: 26
Views: 6,130
Posted By Saurondil
White Tree ## The first I read "The Passing of Boromir" I...

## The first I read "The Passing of Boromir" I was - IIRC - rather shocked. I'm pretty sure that I assumed Tolkien was having an an Old English moment (Boromir = Old English defence, dying...
Forum: The Books 03-11-2013, 09:54 AM
Replies: 43
Views: 8,106
Posted By Saurondil
## Thanks for the correction - & the welcome...

## Thanks for the correction - & the welcome :)
Forum: The Books 03-11-2013, 09:47 AM
Replies: 19
Views: 2,423
Posted By Saurondil
White Tree ## Metaphysical problem: if the "evil elements"...

## Metaphysical problem: if the "evil elements" don't exist, they can't be annihilated. Evil is not a thing in itself - it's a lack of a good that is meant to be present. Evil is not a thing in...
Forum: The Barrow-Downs 03-11-2013, 08:58 AM
Replies: 11
Views: 3,181
Posted By Saurondil
White Tree ## If there is a more elegant way of referring to...

## If there is a more elegant way of referring to (what are called) charm, colour, & quarks, so much the better :) Is there an Old English term for "baryonic matter" ? Maybe a kenning would work.......
Forum: The Books 03-08-2013, 06:34 PM
Replies: 19
Views: 2,423
Posted By Saurondil
White Tree ## How did you feel when Utumno & Thangorodrim...

## How did you feel when Utumno & Thangorodrim fell ?


## Sauron - like Melkor - reduces himself to what he becomes. It is his own doing, and his own fault. AFAICS, he is a "mini-Melkor", a...
Forum: Novices and Newcomers 03-07-2013, 06:07 PM
Replies: 42
Views: 7,408
Posted By Saurondil
White Tree ## Probably not until the coming of Sauron, or...

## Probably not until the coming of Sauron, or even later:

"This was the beginning of that people that in the Grey-elven speech are called the Dunedain: the Numenoreans, Kings among Men. But they...
Forum: Novices and Newcomers 03-07-2013, 05:11 PM
Replies: 39
Views: 5,772
Posted By Saurondil
## Maeglin needed to go into therapy - he must...

## Maeglin needed to go into therapy - he must have been horribly traumatised by:

the disharmony between his parents

the death of his mother at the hands of his father

seeing the execution...
Forum: Novices and Newcomers 03-07-2013, 04:57 PM
Replies: 206
Views: 18,212
Posted By Saurondil
White Tree ## My Selectsmart result: ...

## My Selectsmart result:

King Theoden (100%)

Lord of the Nazgul (Witch-King of Angmar) (97%)

Faramir (86%)

Grima Wormtongue (82%)
Forum: Novices and Newcomers 03-07-2013, 04:40 PM
Replies: 3,216
Views: 235,529
Posted By Saurondil
Genetically modified food. If Yavanna had meant...

Genetically modified food. If Yavanna had meant us to have GM food, she would have produced it.
Forum: The Books 03-07-2013, 04:30 PM
Replies: 24
Views: 3,501
Posted By Saurondil
White Tree ## The "omniscient" readers share the knowledge...

## The "omniscient" readers share the knowledge of Arda available to Tolkien, & can know Morgoth wanted Hurin taken alive - but did Hurin know this ? I don't think his heroism is diminished by...
Forum: The Books 03-07-2013, 01:30 PM
Replies: 43
Views: 8,106
Posted By Saurondil
## Michael Moorcock - despite his criticisms of...

## Michael Moorcock - despite his criticisms of Tolkien's story - does seem to be indebted to him. "Elric of Melnibone" is about the last ruler of a great kingdom, that is 10,000 years old; Elric...
Forum: Quiz Room 03-06-2013, 10:44 PM
Replies: 104
Views: 22,176
Posted By Saurondil
White Tree You Scored as Gollum Gollum 83% ...

You Scored as Gollum

Gollum 83%

Saruman the White 57%

Gimli 53%

Peregrin Took (Pippin) 53%
Forum: Chapter-by-Chapter 03-06-2013, 09:09 PM
Replies: 21
Views: 6,789
Posted By Saurondil
## The account of Isildur in the films was very...

## The account of Isildur in the films was very unfair - it was so one-sided, as if that failure were all there was to him. And to make Elrond the speaker of some of the harsher remarks (several of...
Forum: The Books 03-06-2013, 08:30 PM
Replies: 10
Views: 2,039
Posted By Saurondil
## The arising of Ulmo out of the deeps of the...

## The arising of Ulmo out of the deeps of the Sea at Nevrast may give a clue - though he did so to strengthen Tuor for the task of bearing Ulmo's warning to Gondolin; not to fight him. The vision...
Forum: The Books 03-06-2013, 03:48 PM
Replies: 24
Views: 3,501
Posted By Saurondil
## Maybe Feanor (& by extension, his sons) were...

## Maybe Feanor (& by extension, his sons) were sufficiently (to coin a phrase) "fired up"; like Hurin at the Nirnaeth, killing his 70 orcs. Tolkien may have meant the desperate courage of both,...
Forum: The Books 03-06-2013, 02:40 PM
Replies: 35
Views: 5,117
Posted By Saurondil
White Tree That point about Aragorn living 70 x 3 years is...

That point about Aragorn living 70 x 3 years is important, I think. Elros was given a span of 500 years - which (I assume, and the assumption needs testing) is to be understood as 5 x 100, rather...
Forum: The Books 03-06-2013, 12:40 AM
Replies: 35
Views: 5,117
Posted By Saurondil
White Tree ## Maybe Faramir lived as long as he did, as a...

## Maybe Faramir lived as long as he did, as a result of the renewal brought by the return (& coronation) of the King. Gondor stops decaying - and is renewed. And there is no more Sauron, so the...
Forum: The Books 03-05-2013, 11:13 PM
Replies: 24
Views: 3,501
Posted By Saurondil
White Tree ## This happens a lot LOL The point is,...

## This happens a lot LOL

The point is, that with the three later unions, we learn that important goods came of them....but I've just realised that I mistakenly thought Dior's parents were not...
Forum: Chapter-by-Chapter 03-05-2013, 03:51 PM
Replies: 21
Views: 6,789
Posted By Saurondil
White Tree ## If it's not to late to comment..... The...

## If it's not to late to comment.....

The info about Meneldil is very helpful. There is one major puzzle - the chronology. In the notes we are given the following dates of birth:

Amandil 3029...
Forum: The Books 03-05-2013, 03:04 PM
Replies: 24
Views: 3,501
Posted By Saurondil
White Tree ## If it was "meant to occur", that would make a...

## If it was "meant to occur", that would make a lot of sense: the union between them would then be an example of the pattern of unions between spouses of different kinds, in which the female is...
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