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Forum: The Books 03-28-2017, 05:49 PM
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Views: 6,869
Posted By Leaf
Since this thread has already been resurrected, I...

Since this thread has already been resurrected, I might as well add my two cents on the original subject matter.

Back in 2004, the user Gorwingel offered an interesting interpretation:



The...
Forum: The Books 09-22-2016, 04:28 AM
Replies: 40
Views: 7,129
Posted By Leaf
I agree with you. I could have dropped the...

I agree with you. I could have dropped the "royal". Political power and authority is always tied to the threat of physical force against recalcitrant members, or else it wouldn't be "power".
Forum: The Books 09-18-2016, 07:30 AM
Replies: 14
Views: 3,433
Posted By Leaf
Interesting topic! There's a short passage...

Interesting topic!

There's a short passage in the Note on the Shire records that touches this subject:
Forum: The Books 09-15-2016, 05:03 PM
Replies: 40
Views: 7,129
Posted By Leaf
First of all, thanks for your posts. They are a...

First of all, thanks for your posts. They are a great contribution to this thread.

Faramir Jones

I only have one addition to your insightful post.

You already covered the aspect of...
Forum: The Books 07-20-2016, 03:37 PM
Replies: 40
Views: 7,129
Posted By Leaf
An afterthought: I suspect that this problem...

An afterthought:

I suspect that this problem (if you are inclined to view it as such) stems from Tolkien's method or style of writing. He really excels when it comes to the reinterpretation of...
Forum: The Books 07-20-2016, 02:48 PM
Replies: 40
Views: 7,129
Posted By Leaf
Those practical objections all seem reasonable to...

Those practical objections all seem reasonable to me. They are (within the context of Middle-Earth) understandable answers to the posed question. My problem is that Tolkien didn't include them in the...
Forum: The Books 07-20-2016, 09:34 AM
Replies: 40
Views: 7,129
Posted By Leaf
I could never find a satisfactory answer to your...

I could never find a satisfactory answer to your question. As you say, theoretically every forefather could have tried to claim their right to the throne of Gondor. Your proposal makes sense since we...
Forum: The Books 07-20-2016, 04:10 AM
Replies: 40
Views: 7,129
Posted By Leaf
I disagree. What you are describing is more...

I disagree. What you are describing is more fitting to the character of movie-Aragorn. Book-Aragorn's duty is entirely his own doing. He wanted to become King Elessar from the start and did...
Forum: The Books 07-19-2016, 05:15 AM
Replies: 40
Views: 7,129
Posted By Leaf
Thanks for the additional quote from the Council...

Thanks for the additional quote from the Council of Elrond. It is indeed an important one as it contains the chief conflict between the ruling stewards and a potential claimant. Boromir and his...
Forum: The Books 07-16-2016, 05:23 AM
Replies: 40
Views: 7,129
Posted By Leaf
I did the same and here are some related passages...

I did the same and here are some related passages I could dig up.

There's the poem in Gandalf's letter to Frodo in the chapter Strider:



Aragorn's explanation
Forum: The Books 07-15-2016, 09:59 AM
Replies: 40
Views: 7,129
Posted By Leaf
Don't get me wrong. I don't think that...

Don't get me wrong. I don't think that book-Aragorn is some kind of zealot, or an aspirating tyrant. He's just as overbearing as the concept of absolute monarchy is in itself! I may have...
Forum: The Books 07-15-2016, 08:41 AM
Replies: 40
Views: 7,129
Posted By Leaf
I started to reflect on Aragorn's different...

I started to reflect on Aragorn's different interactions in Fellowship. If I'm not mistaken there's only one character that, by the end of the book, is not aware of his royal ambitions. That is,...
Forum: The Books 07-15-2016, 08:25 AM
Replies: 40
Views: 7,129
Posted By Leaf
It's true, Aragorn is a difficult character to...

It's true, Aragorn is a difficult character to get accustomed to. You outlined his vague backstory well enough. I think what it comes down to is this: There's two contradictory concepts within his...
Forum: The Books 07-15-2016, 08:12 AM
Replies: 40
Views: 7,129
Posted By Leaf
Yes, that's a good observation. The shifting in...

Yes, that's a good observation. The shifting in perspective most certainly requiered an altered character. A character more suitable for the typical Hollywood-esque protagonist. I find this to be...
Forum: The Books 07-15-2016, 02:44 AM
Replies: 40
Views: 7,129
Posted By Leaf
Aragorn's assertiveness

Allow me to start this Book discussion threat with an observation concerning PJ's portrail of Aragorn's character. The main difference between the character from the books and the movies lies in...
Forum: The Books 03-14-2016, 09:30 AM
Replies: 93
Views: 11,245
Posted By Leaf
I think this question ties in with a general lack...

I think this question ties in with a general lack of mundane information about elvish societies. One might as well ask "where did the elves get their leather?". I mean can you picture smelly elvish...
Forum: The Books 02-06-2016, 02:56 PM
Replies: 3
Views: 1,741
Posted By Leaf
Well I suppose that Ents (and entities akin, such...

Well I suppose that Ents (and entities akin, such as the eagles) were just an extention of the natural world which already consisted of olvar and kelvar (or flora and fauna) and inanimate matter. The...
Forum: The Books 02-06-2016, 02:27 PM
Replies: 46
Views: 7,823
Posted By Leaf
This is true. That's because the very notion of...

This is true. That's because the very notion of (free) will, or intention, is entwined with the concept of what defines a person. I suppose some kind of souless machinery could have done the deed....
Forum: The Books 02-06-2016, 08:18 AM
Replies: 46
Views: 7,823
Posted By Leaf
Well, Gandalf himself didn't think he could...

Well, Gandalf himself didn't think he could convince, or persuade, Bilbo to destroy the Ring of Power:

He needed all my help, too. And even so he would never have just forsaken it, or cast it...
Forum: The Books 02-06-2016, 06:45 AM
Replies: 46
Views: 7,823
Posted By Leaf
As I stated in the doom of the ring - thread, I...

As I stated in the doom of the ring - thread, I don't believe any person would have been able to destroy the ring willingly, or by choice. Note that Frodo wasn't even able to throw the ring into his...
Forum: The Books 01-23-2016, 07:57 PM
Replies: 33
Views: 4,277
Posted By Leaf
Interesting topic! Alot of the themes you're...

Interesting topic! Alot of the themes you're discussing are culminating in the very last exchange of views between Bilbo and Gandalf:



I always liked this ending. It is interesting in so many...
Forum: The Books 01-20-2016, 02:50 PM
Replies: 48
Views: 9,932
Posted By Leaf
I think it's important to be a little bit more...

I think it's important to be a little bit more precise. You are not making any distinction between ordinary people ("native population", "men") and the nobility, or a local political elite, as if...
Forum: The Books 01-19-2016, 05:54 AM
Replies: 48
Views: 9,932
Posted By Leaf
You keep confusing my assessments to be...

You keep confusing my assessments to be descriptive even though I clearly stated that they are more of the normative type. I was simply expressing my opinion on a moral question and didn't try to...
Forum: The Books 01-18-2016, 07:28 AM
Replies: 48
Views: 9,932
Posted By Leaf
That's correct. Those ideologies do exist in the...

That's correct. Those ideologies do exist in the real world and I never argued otherwise.



Yes, those categories are indeed important to understand the conflict. I merely wanted to point out...
Forum: The Books 01-15-2016, 06:47 AM
Replies: 48
Views: 9,932
Posted By Leaf
I don't believe that there's a "natural" link...

I don't believe that there's a "natural" link between family relationships and a claim to a specific territory. From my point of view there's no such thing as "rightful" or "legitimate" owners simply...
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