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Old 12-30-2003, 10:48 AM   #10
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and even the right to wait in the Halls of Mandos if they did die (remember Arwen could have been reunited with her mother in this way)
Celebrian did not die, she was healed physically by Elrond, but wearied of M-E and went West, alive.

I do not think JRRT ever said, 'boy this Silm is never going to get published, I think I will ransack it for material'.

On the contrary, he very deliberately watched and crafted the unfolding interlacments of themes, actions, motives and such.

Aragorn is a perfect example, there was know deliberate, 'let me put an echo of Beren and Luthien in', instad it took quite a while and watchful, patient experimentation on JRRT's part to 'discover' Aragorn and Arwen's story.


A few have been pointed out, I will add some more.

*Rings/Silmarills [both createed by the House of Feanor - both lead to great wars]
*Beren/Luthien and Aragornm/Arwen
*Hidden refuges - Gondolin/Doriath/Nargothrond and
Henneth Annun/Lothlorien/Rivendell/Dunedain's home in the Angle
*Divisions amongst the 'good guys'
* treason - Saruman and the Easterlings in the First Age.
*Edain moving from helpers to major resistors, and Elves from major to helpers.
*Earendil giving hope to both the reaminders in Beleriand and to Sam and Frodo in Mordor [and Sam commenting onit].
*Beren and Frodo each losing bodyparts in regards to the central artifacts of the respective wars.
*Ents mounting suprise attacks in both [although this is one case where the LotR actually influneced the Silm.]
*Eagles! though there roles are very different.

Those are some of the big ones I have thought of, no time for more.

I also must voice agreement with Eldar14, in that the scale on which the action appears is also greatly reduced by the time of the Third Age.

Instead of sending an Army of Maiar and Vanyar [and presumably the remaining male Noldor] in the Third Age they send a fwe disguised Old Men Maiar, only one of whom sticks with the program!

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 11:51 AM December 30, 2003: Message edited by: lindil ]
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