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**lindil** · 09-29-2002, 11:20 AM

Ahhh, a topic after my own name!

The passage in FotR in Rivendell as Frodo and Bilbo are slipping out [ they are crazy I always think] captures more of the feeling that JRRT tries to convey re: Elvish singing than any other I can think of.

I saw the title of this thread on my way out the door and had time to contemplate it and my as yet unstarted fanfic. Th thread must have caught me a t a right time as it finally gelled my ideas re: the storylines. I give below a rough outline as much to spur myself on as anything else. Anyone who might have further suggestions is welcome to put them on my Osanwe board where I will post the rough draft today [ article of the 'week' forum]

The Tale of Linuial and the transmission of Linosanwe including the
the 32 aphorisms of Maglor and Daeron

Linuial is an Arthedainian Court Minstrel to Arvedui who becomes apprenticed to the previous minstril in his old age but before he can go far on his training the mentor dies so he is sent to Rivendell to study w/ Tarlin the last direct disciple of the singing and osanwe traditions of Daeron and Maglor.

He learns much on repeated trips to Imladris. Is sent in the embassy of Arvedui to claim the Crown of Gondor and his singing though not able to woo the hard hearts of Gondor still has it's effect, which will last through the ages.

Linuial is one of the few to survive the fall of Arthedain and through his story we are given glimpses of Fornost Erain and the debate among the Dunedain wether to accept Elronds offer of sanctuary or not and the decision to remove to the hidden fastness of the Cheiftans where the remnants of the Dunedain of Cardolan and Arthedain remove to.

Much of the text will focus on the 10 aphorisms of Maglor in which he formulated the Vanyarin approach [ they were not sytematizers as where the Noldor] to Linosanwe [ the transmission of thought through singing] much of this lore is said to have come form the Valar themselves; the 22 aphorisms of Daeron where found in his dwelling after he disappeared and wherer treasured by the Sindar [ and later the sylvan elves who came into contact w/ the Sindar in Rhovanion and Lindon] in it are said to contain the essence of the teaching of Melian. Melian in particular was very skilled in Linosanwe and shared her lore of Valinor eagerly in the early days of the Kingdom of Doriath before the return of Morgoth and the Noldor.

Well there is my ambitious outline - wish me luck!!! I will need it and a lot of stick-to-itness.

A further note [ a little off topic] re: elvish singing. I read in a very interesting interview w/ Jon Anderson the singer/lyricist of Yes that for him 'everything he has tried to do musically has been a reflection of elvish culture of Tolkien'.paraphrase.

Yes' album 'Going for the One' has 3 tunes [3/4ths of the album] that are as Elvish as almost anything I have ever heard. As are a few things on the Windham Hill Label.

09-29-2002, 11:20 AM	#18
lindil Seeker of the Straight Path Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: a hidden fastness in Big Valley nor cal Posts: 1,680	Ahhh, a topic after my own name! The passage in FotR in Rivendell as Frodo and Bilbo are slipping out [ they are crazy I always think] captures more of the feeling that JRRT tries to convey re: Elvish singing than any other I can think of. I saw the title of this thread on my way out the door and had time to contemplate it and my as yet unstarted fanfic. Th thread must have caught me a t a right time as it finally gelled my ideas re: the storylines. I give below a rough outline as much to spur myself on as anything else. Anyone who might have further suggestions is welcome to put them on my Osanwe board where I will post the rough draft today [ article of the 'week' forum] The Tale of Linuial and the transmission of Linosanwe including the the 32 aphorisms of Maglor and Daeron Linuial is an Arthedainian Court Minstrel to Arvedui who becomes apprenticed to the previous minstril in his old age but before he can go far on his training the mentor dies so he is sent to Rivendell to study w/ Tarlin the last direct disciple of the singing and osanwe traditions of Daeron and Maglor. He learns much on repeated trips to Imladris. Is sent in the embassy of Arvedui to claim the Crown of Gondor and his singing though not able to woo the hard hearts of Gondor still has it's effect, which will last through the ages. Linuial is one of the few to survive the fall of Arthedain and through his story we are given glimpses of Fornost Erain and the debate among the Dunedain wether to accept Elronds offer of sanctuary or not and the decision to remove to the hidden fastness of the Cheiftans where the remnants of the Dunedain of Cardolan and Arthedain remove to. Much of the text will focus on the 10 aphorisms of Maglor in which he formulated the Vanyarin approach [ they were not sytematizers as where the Noldor] to Linosanwe [ the transmission of thought through singing] much of this lore is said to have come form the Valar themselves; the 22 aphorisms of Daeron where found in his dwelling after he disappeared and wherer treasured by the Sindar [ and later the sylvan elves who came into contact w/ the Sindar in Rhovanion and Lindon] in it are said to contain the essence of the teaching of Melian. Melian in particular was very skilled in Linosanwe and shared her lore of Valinor eagerly in the early days of the Kingdom of Doriath before the return of Morgoth and the Noldor. Well there is my ambitious outline - wish me luck!!! I will need it and a lot of stick-to-itness. A further note [ a little off topic] re: elvish singing. I read in a very interesting interview w/ Jon Anderson the singer/lyricist of Yes that for him 'everything he has tried to do musically has been a reflection of elvish culture of Tolkien'.paraphrase. Yes' album 'Going for the One' has 3 tunes [3/4ths of the album] that are as Elvish as almost anything I have ever heard. As are a few things on the Windham Hill Label. __________________ The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night exchanging lore & wisdom such as they still possessed that they should not fall back into the mean estate of those who never knew or indeed rebelled against the Light.