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Nar · 10-29-2002, 01:59 PM

Oh yes, I agree, Sharon. Sauron was scanning the skies for exactly that sort of thing-- they'd have been right in Barad-Dur's sightline, you couldn't ask for a more guaranteed disaster! Sauron was certainly Maia enough to compose a successful strategy to derail an eagle before the ring could be destroyed, blasting that eagle with a bolt of fire or something, fell beasts held in reserve, and then the ring would have been all his once again. I liked Birdland's 'eagle-zapper' idea, not to mention the 'hobbit-hotels' and ranger-raid'. Truly, 'there is no end to Sauron's treacheries'. (Birdland's post is in a thread on Eagles , but I've forgotten the exact name ... it was brilliant! Do a search on Eagles.)

Mentioning eagles or saving Valar was actually meant as a rhetorical flight. I feel that the pattern of THIS solution to the problem of Sauron had a larger purpose in making later victories against modern forms of the Great Darkness possible. Like in the 7th age, Child. Sauron fell not because the Valar came back and broke the world again ('Pesky Maia! *Splat!* Missed again. Knocked over the fruit bowl, sorry. Try not to step on the cherries ... Wait, he's buzzing around the counter ... *Swish!* got him! Bother, there went the sugar!') but because pity and mercy, endurance and sacrifice allied to end him. History's a song right? Polyrhythmic, many themes, many voices? So, an alteration in the resolution of a melodic theme in the 3rd age could affect the proper key of the next movement, right? And so on. (ok, ok, music majors please help!)

The effect on Arda that the fourth age began so, with humility, love, sacrifice and grace, would be similar to the effect on Bilbo, that he took so little hurt from the ring because his ownership of it began with pity. The High King didn't win his kingship by conquering anyone, but by offering himself as bait; this affects his kingship, his country, and their idea of where authority comes from. Not to mention the qualities of Hobbits are finally known and recognized throughout Middle earth.

10-29-2002, 01:59 PM	#16
Nar Wight Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 228	Oh yes, I agree, Sharon. Sauron was scanning the skies for exactly that sort of thing-- they'd have been right in Barad-Dur's sightline, you couldn't ask for a more guaranteed disaster! Sauron was certainly Maia enough to compose a successful strategy to derail an eagle before the ring could be destroyed, blasting that eagle with a bolt of fire or something, fell beasts held in reserve, and then the ring would have been all his once again. I liked Birdland's 'eagle-zapper' idea, not to mention the 'hobbit-hotels' and ranger-raid'. Truly, 'there is no end to Sauron's treacheries'. (Birdland's post is in a thread on Eagles , but I've forgotten the exact name ... it was brilliant! Do a search on Eagles.) Mentioning eagles or saving Valar was actually meant as a rhetorical flight. I feel that the pattern of THIS solution to the problem of Sauron had a larger purpose in making later victories against modern forms of the Great Darkness possible. Like in the 7th age, Child. Sauron fell not because the Valar came back and broke the world again ('Pesky Maia! Splat! Missed again. Knocked over the fruit bowl, sorry. Try not to step on the cherries ... Wait, he's buzzing around the counter ... Swish! got him! Bother, there went the sugar!') but because pity and mercy, endurance and sacrifice allied to end him. History's a song right? Polyrhythmic, many themes, many voices? So, an alteration in the resolution of a melodic theme in the 3rd age could affect the proper key of the next movement, right? And so on. (ok, ok, music majors please help!) The effect on Arda that the fourth age began so, with humility, love, sacrifice and grace, would be similar to the effect on Bilbo, that he took so little hurt from the ring because his ownership of it began with pity. The High King didn't win his kingship by conquering anyone, but by offering himself as bait; this affects his kingship, his country, and their idea of where authority comes from. Not to mention the qualities of Hobbits are finally known and recognized throughout Middle earth.