[Mithadan]

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Re: Orcish Fear

Ah! You're talking revisionist or updated Silmarillion. As published, elves wake first, dwarves wake second during Morgoth's captivity, and men wake last at the rising of the sun (ignoring round earth issues or mannish vs. elvish perspective). I always thought that a few hundred years was too little for man to wake, advance, learn languages and some semblance of culture/technology, and travel to Beleriand. Still doesn't explain the Shagrat/Gorbag dialogue though. I always thought that JRRT's desire to avoid corrupted elves as orcs would be one of those issues where what was published would override his desire to revise.

--Mithadan--
"The Silmarils with living light
were kindled clear, and waxing bright
shone like stars that in the North
above the reek of earth leap forth." </p>