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Michael Martinez · 03-28-2001, 02:37 PM

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Re: Reincarnation of the Avari

<blockquote>Quote:<hr> I really didn't mean to imply a textual conflict, and I'm not too sure why you read my post that way! I actually don't see the texts conflicting - I just think they aren't clear about what happened to Avarin fear who wanted to reincarnate. What is your opinion on that question?<hr></blockquote>

I didn't read your post as implying there was a textual conflict. I'm simply pointing out there is a textual conflict. There almost always is.

My feeling is that the Avari were eventually re-embodied. The question is where and when. Why should their souls be trapped in Mandos forever, if they have done nothing seriously wrong? Is refusing the summons of the Valar really that kind of a sin? I don't think so. It's not like the Elves were told they were required to go to Valinor. They were invited to go.

But the questions cannot be resolved because there is no mention of the Avari being reembodied. Tolkien obviously never carried the issue forward. The irrevocability factor, however, must be weighed against the fact that the authoritative text, The Lord of the Rings, has Elves of Avari descent (the Silvan Elves of Lorien) sailing over Sea. That hardly makes their choice irrevocable.

Tolkien would have had to deal with this issue had he lived long enough to work out all the details.

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03-28-2001, 02:37 PM	#4
Michael Martinez Animated Skeleton Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 48	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Animated Skeleton Posts: 41</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: Reincarnation of the Avari <blockquote>*Quote:<hr> I really didn't mean to imply a textual conflict, and I'm not too sure why you read my post that way! I actually don't see the texts conflicting - I just think they aren't clear about what happened to Avarin fear who wanted to reincarnate. What is your opinion on that question?<hr></blockquote> I didn't read your post as implying there was a textual conflict. I'm simply pointing out there is a textual conflict. There almost always is. My feeling is that the Avari were eventually re-embodied. The question is where and when. Why should their souls be trapped in Mandos forever, if they have done nothing seriously wrong? Is refusing the summons of the Valar really that kind of a sin? I don't think so. It's not like the Elves were told they were required to go to Valinor. They were invited to go. But the questions cannot be resolved because there is no mention of the Avari being reembodied. Tolkien obviously never carried the issue forward. The irrevocability factor, however, must be weighed against the fact that the authoritative text, The Lord of the Rings*, has Elves of Avari descent (the Silvan Elves of Lorien) sailing over Sea. That hardly makes their choice irrevocable. Tolkien would have had to deal with this issue had he lived long enough to work out all the details. http://www.xenite.org/Xenite.Org: Science Fiction and Fantasy</a> http://www.xenite.org/faqs/lotr_movie/Lord of the Rings Movie news</a> http://www.xenite.org/xor/home.shtml1500+ Hercules/Xena Links</a> http://www.xenite.org/books/visualiz...dle-earth.htmlVisualizing Middle-earth, a book on Tolkien</a> http://www.xenite.org/special_events/vicky_shaffer.htmlVicky Shaffer: Monster or mother? Is Brianna in any danger?</a> </p>