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**lindil** · 06-08-2001, 05:36 AM

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Outline 5.4

here is Lindil's 'OLD WORLD' SILMARILLION outline as it
stands now:

================================

TRANSLATIONS FROM THE ELVISH vol. I-III [?]
===

Volume I
Being the Tales of the Creation and the coming of the Eldar and rebellion of the Noldor in Valinor:

AINULINDALE
VALAQUNTA
both from X
-----------
QUENTA SILMARILLION pt1 the base texts for which are the Annals of Aman and the LQ2 of [ X]

******
1 Of VALINOR AND THE TWO TREES /OF THE BEGINING DAYS

2 OF AULE AND YAVANNA

3 OF THE COMING OF THE ELVES
add parts of 'Quendi andEldar' re : the '144' [XI]
4 OF THINGOL AND MELIAN

5 OF ELDAMAR AND THE PRINCES OFTHE ELDALIE add from the Shibboleth of Feanor [XII]
6 {OF THE SILMARILS}THE DARKENING OF VALINOR
[the subchapter division is from X- LQII]
6a + FINWE AND MIRIEL
[w/possible selections from Laws&Customs...' [X]add from the Shibboleth of Feanor [XII]
6b +OF FEANOR AND THE UNCHAINING OF MELKOR
6c + OF THE SILMARILS AND THE UNREST OF
THE NOLDOR
add from'Shibboleth of Feanor' ? [XII]
6d + OF THE DARKENING OF VALINOR
add from of the festival of val
NB: this draft is actually completed and under the thread DoV:...
6e +OF THE RAPE OF THE SILMARILL
6f +OF THE THIEVES ' QUARREL
7 OF THE FLIGHT OF THE NOLDOR
add from'Shibboleth of Feanor'[XII]
8 OF THE SUN ANDTHE MOON AND THE HIDING OF VALINOR
[ additions from Lost tales I ?] This is more problematic than many proposed additions as the nature of the details seems to have gone far afeild from the later conceptions.
================================================== ================================================== =

Volume II
Of the War of the Jewels and incorporating the longer fragments of the Narn i hin Hurin , of Tuor and his Coming to and the Fall of Gondolin, the Wanderings of Hurin
"QUENTA SILMARILLION "ptII
Being the Tales of Middle-Earth of the End of the First Age
these are drawn, up until the 15th chapter primarily from the War of the Jewels, after that it is an amalgam from The Book of Lost talesII, The
Shaping of Middle-Earth, The Lost Road, The War of the Jewels, Unfinished Tales and , The 1977/2001 Silmarillion .

9 OF MEN
I am not at all sure of the way to deal w/ the later conceptions of Chronology. Any ideas?

10 OF THE SIEGE OF ANGBAND
11 OF BELERIAND AND IT'S REALMS /[XV] OF THE NOLDOR INBELERIAND
add from 'Shibboleth of Feanor' [XII]
12 OF TURGON AND THE BUILDING OF GONDOLIN coupled w/ OF MAEGLIN
add from 'maeglin' in XI [possibly switch the order of Chapters w/ Of the Dwarves to reflect Eol's prior contact]

13 CONCERNING THE DWARVES
add from ' On Dwarves and Men' [XII]

14 OF THE COMING OF MEN INTO THE WEST
add the 'Athrabeth Finrod Ah Andreth' {X} and from On Dwarves and Men and, Faithful Stone ' from UT [XII]

15 OF THE RUIN OF BELERIAND AND THE FALL OF FINGOLFIN

16 - BEREN AND LUTHIEN
add from [III]

[ here the chapters have been tentativly renumbered ]

[17] OF THE FIFTH BATTLE:NIRNAETH ARNOEDIAD
insert the section from the Narn of Hurin's farewell in Dor Lomin

[18] OF TUOR AND HIS COMING TO GONDOLIN
[19] OF TURIN TURAMBAR AND THE NARN I CHIN HURIN
[U T, II,V and XI] and the gloss from 'Aelfwine and Dirhavel' from [XI]

[20] OF THE WANDERINGS OF HURIN and OF THE RUIN OF DORIATH
add from II,IV,V [and later sketches of Hurin?] or
[and I consider this more feasable]use CRT's chapter from the 77.

[21] THE FALL OF GONDOLIN
add of details of the battle of the city and flight to Sirion from [II]

[22] OF THE VOYAGE OF EARENDIL AND THE WAR OF WRATH
[w/ or without the 2nd prophecy of mandos?]
================================================== ================

Volume III
being the Appendices to the Quenta Silmarillion and the Tales of the Second and Third Ages.
[not yet in order]

* LAWS AND CUSTOMS AMONG THE ELDAR

*QUENDI AND ELDAR w/ the Osanwe - Kenta [and LHAMMAS ?]

*TALE OF YEARS/ANNALS OF THE 1ST AGE [?]

*ETYMOLOGIES ? [revised]/ ELVISH DICTIONARY Quenya and
Sindarin

* Commentary/Notes to the ATHRABETH FINROD HA ANDRETH

NB : The tales of the Second and Third ages will hopefully appear on the next version.
====================================
+++This outline does not as yet reflect the group consensus
on allpoints [or on very many] it is primarily the opinions of lindil
+++ I have endeavored to include such queries, conclusions and questions which the forum as the group debated has made [esp. in following the X versions of chapters and subchapters for the Early Silmarillion.
+++Even where not specifically mentioned it is assumed that all
relevant Annals and versions of the Quenta Silmarillion of I-V, and X-XII will be consulted
+++I have begun [but not completed using the abbreviations
used in the thread of the same name-so check there for resolution to
minimize anyobscurities.
++++This is by no means an exhaustive listing ,just a
framework to hang further ideas on -or take them off. I am sure there are
alot of things I havn't caught yet so... Please feel free to monkey around
w/ it and put up a new one.
++++ This not an outline that takes the more radical farreaching
ideas of Myth's Tansformed cosmology into account . The thread of that namecovers some issues , Perhaps an outline similar to this w/explanations of the changes involved in a MT versionof each chapter will appear at somepoint inthe future by someone w/ a strong urge to tackle it

================================== Comments on the outline, are of course most welcome.

Lindil is oft found on posting on the Silmarillion Project at the Barrowdowns and working on yet a 2nd new Elven/Christian discussion board<a href="http://pub72.ezboard.com/bosanwe" >Osanwe</a> 'The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night, and awaken early before dawn- exchanging lore and wisdom such as they possessed , so that they should not fall back into the mean and low estate of those , who never knew or more sadly still, had indeed rebelled against the Light.' </p>

06-08-2001, 05:36 AM	#30
lindil Seeker of the Straight Path Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: a hidden fastness in Big Valley nor cal Posts: 1,680	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Seeker of the Straight Path Posts: 626</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Outline 5.4 here is Lindil's 'OLD WORLD' SILMARILLION outline as it stands now: ================================ TRANSLATIONS FROM THE ELVISH vol. I-III [?] === Volume I Being the Tales of the Creation and the coming of the Eldar and rebellion of the Noldor in Valinor: AINULINDALE VALAQUNTA both from X ----------- QUENTA SILMARILLION pt1 the base texts for which are the Annals of Aman and the LQ2 of [ X] ****** 1 Of VALINOR AND THE TWO TREES /OF THE BEGINING DAYS 2 OF AULE AND YAVANNA 3 OF THE COMING OF THE ELVES add parts of 'Quendi andEldar' re : the '144' [XI] 4 OF THINGOL AND MELIAN 5 OF ELDAMAR AND THE PRINCES OFTHE ELDALIE add from the Shibboleth of Feanor [XII] 6 {OF THE SILMARILS}THE DARKENING OF VALINOR [the subchapter division is from X- LQII] 6a + FINWE AND MIRIEL [w/possible selections from Laws&Customs...' [X]add from the Shibboleth of Feanor [XII] 6b +OF FEANOR AND THE UNCHAINING OF MELKOR 6c + OF THE SILMARILS AND THE UNREST OF THE NOLDOR add from'Shibboleth of Feanor' ? [XII] 6d + OF THE DARKENING OF VALINOR add from of the festival of val NB: this draft is actually completed and under the thread DoV:... 6e +OF THE RAPE OF THE SILMARILL 6f +OF THE THIEVES ' QUARREL 7 OF THE FLIGHT OF THE NOLDOR add from'Shibboleth of Feanor'[XII] 8 OF THE SUN ANDTHE MOON AND THE HIDING OF VALINOR [ additions from Lost tales I ?] This is more problematic than many proposed additions as the nature of the details seems to have gone far afeild from the later conceptions. ================================================== ================================================== = Volume II Of the War of the Jewels and incorporating the longer fragments of the Narn i hin Hurin , of Tuor and his Coming to and the Fall of Gondolin, the Wanderings of Hurin "QUENTA SILMARILLION "ptII Being the Tales of Middle-Earth of the End of the First Age these are drawn, up until the 15th chapter primarily from the War of the Jewels, after that it is an amalgam from The Book of Lost talesII, The Shaping of Middle-Earth, The Lost Road, The War of the Jewels, Unfinished Tales and , The 1977/2001 Silmarillion . 9 OF MEN I am not at all sure of the way to deal w/ the later conceptions of Chronology. Any ideas? 10 OF THE SIEGE OF ANGBAND 11 OF BELERIAND AND IT'S REALMS /[XV] OF THE NOLDOR INBELERIAND add from 'Shibboleth of Feanor' [XII] 12 OF TURGON AND THE BUILDING OF GONDOLIN coupled w/ OF MAEGLIN add from 'maeglin' in XI [possibly switch the order of Chapters w/ Of the Dwarves to reflect Eol's prior contact] 13 CONCERNING THE DWARVES add from ' On Dwarves and Men' [XII] 14 OF THE COMING OF MEN INTO THE WEST add the 'Athrabeth Finrod Ah Andreth' {X} and from On Dwarves and Men and, Faithful Stone ' from UT [XII] 15 OF THE RUIN OF BELERIAND AND THE FALL OF FINGOLFIN 16 - BEREN AND LUTHIEN add from [III] [ here the chapters have been tentativly renumbered ] [17] OF THE FIFTH BATTLE:NIRNAETH ARNOEDIAD insert the section from the Narn of Hurin's farewell in Dor Lomin [18] OF TUOR AND HIS COMING TO GONDOLIN [19] OF TURIN TURAMBAR AND THE NARN I CHIN HURIN [U T, II,V and XI] and the gloss from 'Aelfwine and Dirhavel' from [XI] [20] OF THE WANDERINGS OF HURIN and OF THE RUIN OF DORIATH add from II,IV,V [and later sketches of Hurin?] or [and I consider this more feasable]use CRT's chapter from the 77. [21] THE FALL OF GONDOLIN add of details of the battle of the city and flight to Sirion from [II] [22] OF THE VOYAGE OF EARENDIL AND THE WAR OF WRATH [w/ or without the 2nd prophecy of mandos?] ================================================== ================ Volume III being the Appendices to the Quenta Silmarillion and the Tales of the Second and Third Ages. [not yet in order] * LAWS AND CUSTOMS AMONG THE ELDAR QUENDI AND ELDAR w/ the Osanwe - Kenta [and LHAMMAS ?] TALE OF YEARS/ANNALS OF THE 1ST AGE [?] ETYMOLOGIES ? [revised]/ ELVISH DICTIONARY Quenya and Sindarin Commentary/Notes to the ATHRABETH FINROD HA ANDRETH NB : The tales of the Second and Third ages will hopefully appear on the next version. ==================================== +++This outline does not as yet reflect the group consensus on allpoints [or on very many] it is primarily the opinions of lindil +++ I have endeavored to include such queries, conclusions and questions which the forum as the group debated has made [esp. in following the X versions of chapters and subchapters for the Early Silmarillion. +++Even where not specifically mentioned it is assumed that all relevant Annals and versions of the Quenta Silmarillion of I-V, and X-XII will be consulted +++I have begun [but not completed using the abbreviations used in the thread of the same name-so check there for resolution to minimize anyobscurities. ++++This is by no means an exhaustive listing ,just a framework to hang further ideas on -or take them off. I am sure there are alot of things I havn't caught yet so... Please feel free to monkey around w/ it and put up a new one. ++++ This not an outline that takes the more radical farreaching ideas of Myth's Tansformed cosmology into account . The thread of that namecovers some issues , Perhaps an outline similar to this w/explanations of the changes involved in a MT versionof each chapter will appear at somepoint inthe future by someone w/ a strong urge to tackle it ================================== Comments on the outline, are of course most welcome. Lindil is oft found on posting on the Silmarillion Project at the Barrowdowns and working on yet a 2nd new Elven/Christian discussion board<a href="http://pub72.ezboard.com/bosanwe" >Osanwe</a> 'The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night, and awaken early before dawn- exchanging lore and wisdom such as they possessed , so that they should not fall back into the mean and low estate of those , who never knew or more sadly still, had indeed rebelled against the Light.' </p> __________________ The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night exchanging lore & wisdom such as they still possessed that they should not fall back into the mean estate of those who never knew or indeed rebelled against the Light.