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***Mithadan*** · 01-09-2001, 05:47 PM

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Re: Myths Transformed, part of the Canon, yea or nay.

I don't suggest that Myths Transformed can't be reconciled with the Sil; it can. However, MT does change Sil. in many ways and this can be very difficult to accept for those who have been reading Sil. for 23 years. This is what I meant by "tough to reconcile". I agree that JRRT definitely planned on making many or perhaps even all of the changes contained in MT.

One of the reservations which I adverted to when starting is that its not entirely clear what would have been changed and what would have been retained. Examples: I think JRRT wanted to go with the Round Earth conception; I think JRRT was unhappy with orcs deriving from elves and wished to change that idea; I think JRRT had to retain the two trees. MT represents his attempt to brainstorm these issues. But consider the difficulties he had with the opening chapters of LoTR. The Hobbit had to be changed to "make it fit". The storyline went through various shifts until he was happy. Its the details or holes in MT that may have shifted one way or another. Dome vs. clouds or mirk; Maiar mating with beasts to make orcs; these are details which may or may not have been final conceptions. Anyway, enough, they are substantially the only MT conceptions we have (with some variants).

The timeline appears faithful to MT/Sil. Hard work pays off. I note you have adopted the Celeborn/Galadriel variant where they take ship to ME. Do you also adopt the variant that they do not ever reside in Beleriand?

--Mithadan--
"The Silmarils with living light
were kindled clear, and waxing bright
shone like stars that in the North
above the reek of earth leap forth." </p>

01-09-2001, 05:47 PM	#6
*Mithadan* Spirit of Mist Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Tol Eressea Posts: 3,394	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Shade of Carn Dûm Posts: 460</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: Myths Transformed, part of the Canon, yea or nay. I don't suggest that Myths Transformed can't be reconciled with the Sil; it can. However, MT does change Sil. in many ways and this can be very difficult to accept for those who have been reading Sil. for 23 years. This is what I meant by "tough to reconcile". I agree that JRRT definitely planned on making many or perhaps even all of the changes contained in MT. One of the reservations which I adverted to when starting is that its not entirely clear what would have been changed and what would have been retained. Examples: I think JRRT wanted to go with the Round Earth conception; I think JRRT was unhappy with orcs deriving from elves and wished to change that idea; I think JRRT had to retain the two trees. MT represents his attempt to brainstorm these issues. But consider the difficulties he had with the opening chapters of LoTR. The Hobbit had to be changed to "make it fit". The storyline went through various shifts until he was happy. Its the details or holes in MT that may have shifted one way or another. Dome vs. clouds or mirk; Maiar mating with beasts to make orcs; these are details which may or may not have been final conceptions. Anyway, enough, they are substantially the only MT conceptions we have (with some variants). The timeline appears faithful to MT/Sil. Hard work pays off. I note you have adopted the Celeborn/Galadriel variant where they take ship to ME. Do you also adopt the variant that they do not ever reside in Beleriand? --Mithadan-- "The Silmarils with living light were kindled clear, and waxing bright shone like stars that in the North above the reek of earth leap forth." </p> __________________ Beleriand, Beleriand, the borders of the Elven-land.