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**lindil** · 01-10-2001, 11:00 AM

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Re: Myths Transformed, , yea or nay

To Durelen, there will be no perfect canon of the Silm in JRRT's words we can only do as well as the texts and our judgement allow. It could be [although I have my doubts , that incredibly good inspired forgeries [to use M. Martinez's phrase] can be created by groups or individuals over time. But this is not canon in any currently accepted sense of the word. It is fan-fiction or at best an eclectic blend of FF and canon - this is not a bad thing , I doubt however that it would be accepted as Canon by the greater tolkien internet community unless a large # of folks worked together on it's creation , and prob not even then.

That is why I [ the great proponent of canon I have been ] am suggesting as the best thing I thing I think we can do now is prepare samples of the 2 major types of potential canon [traditional - if you will and MT or perhaps better stated as early and late]

Hopefully Mithadan I have finally cleared any remaining fog away from my suggestion, of 5 drafts as a prelude to soliciting wider GTIC [greater Tolkien Internet Community]:

+++ Upon considering Mithadan's suggestion from another thread, that FoG is perhaps too big a peice to start chewing on I formally recommend switchingFog w/ Of the darkening of Valinor [w/ an eye to using the material from I [BoLT I] so the proposal is now :

1 & 2 ?] Of the Darkening ofValinor [ DoV] would be nice as we could incorporate another lost tales gem [the procession to the feast of the three houses of the eldar to Tanique til ] which I recall as being quite beautiful , though I havn't read it in a while w/ that thought in mind.
+++Saulotus wouldMT have much effect on this chapter ?

3 & 4 ] Sun and Moon [ or some other chapter that will graphically display just what a MT and non MT version * * * * * * * * would look, read and feel like ].

5 ] Fall of Gondolin [ 1 version w/ footnotes to show any nec. alternate readings for MT ]

Anyway , if we can finish DoV Gondolin or some other 1 st chapter we can reward ourselves by having a mini-moot/feast to pick the next effort.

At this stage we seem to have 2 yea's for the above proposal [in it's FoG as the first attempt form at least] from Durlen and Lindil , what say the esteemed Saulotus and Mithadan ?

lindil

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01-10-2001, 11:00 AM	#14
lindil Seeker of the Straight Path Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: a hidden fastness in Big Valley nor cal Posts: 1,680	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Wight Posts: 174</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: Myths Transformed, , yea or nay To Durelen, there will be no perfect canon of the Silm in JRRT's words we can only do as well as the texts and our judgement allow. It could be [although I have my doubts , that incredibly good inspired forgeries [to use M. Martinez's phrase] can be created by groups or individuals over time. But this is not canon in any currently accepted sense of the word. It is fan-fiction or at best an eclectic blend of FF and canon - this is not a bad thing , I doubt however that it would be accepted as Canon by the greater tolkien internet community unless a large # of folks worked together on it's creation , and prob not even then. That is why I [ the great proponent of canon I have been ] am suggesting as the best thing I thing I think we can do now is prepare samples of the 2 major types of potential canon [traditional - if you will and MT or perhaps better stated as early and late] Hopefully Mithadan I have finally cleared any remaining fog away from my suggestion, of 5 drafts as a prelude to soliciting wider GTIC [greater Tolkien Internet Community]: +++ Upon considering Mithadan's suggestion from another thread, that FoG is perhaps too big a peice to start chewing on I formally recommend switchingFog w/ Of the darkening of Valinor [w/ an eye to using the material from I [BoLT I] so the proposal is now : 1 & 2 ?] Of the Darkening ofValinor [ DoV] would be nice as we could incorporate another lost tales gem [the procession to the feast of the three houses of the eldar to Tanique til ] which I recall as being quite beautiful , though I havn't read it in a while w/ that thought in mind. +++Saulotus wouldMT have much effect on this chapter ? 3 & 4 ] Sun and Moon [ or some other chapter that will graphically display just what a MT and non MT version * * * * * * * * would look, read and feel like ]. 5 ] Fall of Gondolin [ 1 version w/ footnotes to show any nec. alternate readings for MT ] Anyway , if we can finish DoV Gondolin or some other 1 st chapter we can reward ourselves by having a mini-moot/feast to pick the next effort. At this stage we seem to have 2 yea's for the above proposal [in it's FoG as the first attempt form at least] from Durlen and Lindil , what say the esteemed Saulotus and Mithadan ? lindil </p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_profile&u=00000076>lindil</A> at: 1/10/01 1:09:32 pm __________________ The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night exchanging lore & wisdom such as they still possessed that they should not fall back into the mean estate of those who never knew or indeed rebelled against the Light.