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Old 02-25-2003, 09:15 PM   #18
Aiwendil
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But we should try and insert the material you suggested [anyone care for a mini project?] re: the eagles and appropriate watch/guards.
I will see about this if I have time later. If anyone else wants to go for it, though, that would be great.

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The only possible factor that could make an exception is if in the Hobbit [which I do not have with me] there is some specific mention that all of the weapons forged in Gondolin were like this.
I don't have it on me at the moment either, unfortunately. But I agree that we need specific mention of "all weapons".

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Well, I don't know. I think it says in UT that the feathers were stuck by Tuor in the CREST [i.e. top] of the helm, after they were proffered by the swans who did him homage. And wings would be on the side for certain [ I hope !] otherwise it would be one goofy helm.
Very good point.

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Making the axe the gift is far simpler and I think more directly connected to the text.
Agreed.

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Well in support of this I would say that FOG had no firm timeline in mind, whereas all of the WotJ material is timed with exceeding accuracy. So we are I think staying true to the later TOY's by inserting it from there.
I don't doubt that the Tale of Years is accurate and "canonical". I was just questioning the need to insert an exact date in the text. There is much we could change in the text without violating the canon, but we should only tamper where necessary.

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Also 'many years' seems a bit overstated for 7 years. So that is my main reason to suggest a change.
This is a good point that seems to require a bit of thought. I will have to examine the chronology of BoLT a bit more closely. But I don't see why 'many years' must be more than 7.
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