[lindil]

I will try and address a few points which seem to have gone unnoticed or have been forgotten.

1- Findegil, I am no linguist either, I object to Rog on 2 points. CJRT's oft quoted statement that ROG would NOT have made the cut, due presumably, to it's simply not fitting aestheically with Mature Sindarin.
My other point is that I too find it like nails on a chalkboard as a mother/father given name.

Others may not have a problem, I completely concede that I am basing my second point on my personal aesthetic 'understanding' or better stated, sensibilities, of Sindarin and I give it no greater weight than anyone else's. It is CJRT's authority we need to overcome here in order to justifying keeping Rog as a name.

2-
MotW stated:

Rog is all we got from JRRT, and CRT states the obvious, that JRRT would have changed it. True to form, he would have changed many other names, many times, before he had ever finalized The Quenta Silmarillion.

The big difference here is that no other name that may make it into the TftE was left in such an archaic form. No other name is singled out for comment and indeed excising from CRT's QS77/00. He states, I believe that he left out the mention of ' the account of the death of Rog outside the walls' or somesuch from the Q30 source text which he used as the base text for his Silmarillion account of the Fall of Gondilin. He did it not because of concerns over Rog and co. slaying too many Balrog's but because of the euphony of the name as unsuitable [as a given, or mother/father name I would say].


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Yes, but I don't see how it makes any difference what sort of a name it is.

Nicknames can often be coarser or jesting names or words that are not used as given names. 'Bull' being an english example or 'Shorty', 'Slim' . Basically things that are desriptive and somewhat uncultured, but stick as monikers. Rog seems a perfect candidate for this. Editorial justification of inserting a gloss or footnote explaining Rog as a nickname is, I admit, another matter.

Aiwendil stated:

I don't see how it makes any difference what sort of a name it is. The trouble, if there is any, is with the word itself. And that means that, if this concern is indeed completely valid, then no solution addresses it save the complete removal of "Rog". The Elves did not use one kind of Sindarin for their true names and a different kind for their epithets.

It is not a case of differing Sindarins, although i think I understand your point. I hope I have in an intelligent way addressed this point above. If not...

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further opints:

A- Aiwendil again:

Lots of people are known by their epithets; we don't need a footnote telling us that "Felagund" is a nickname to excuse it's appearance in the narrative. In other words, if "Rog" were a proper Marachian name (for instance) it's appearance in the text, without footnote and without comment, would be perfectly justified.

We do need a footnote [or minor textual addtion] if we accept CJRT's authority [and his own editarial decision in the Silm] as overriding our personal opinions and understanding of Rog.

B-MotW again:

This Project in many ways needs to do what JRRT and CRT were either unable or unwilling to do, which is take all that there is and put it together as best as possible, and not sweat details that do not create any substantive and irresolvable conflict.

'As best as possible' is of course subjective, we all have differing standards, I do[obviously] consider Rog, concretely substansive, as did CJRT, not however, really irreconcilable, for as I stated earlier, I am willing to bow out of the topic. It does however seem at least prudent to see this particular possibility through to the end.

A further note on Felagund. We are given, beacause it was so unusual, an explanation of it. Not that I am suggesting Rog be considered [or turned into]Dwarvish [or any other lang] but that it be explained as:

...a nickname, whose exact meaning is lost but possibly meaning 'strong' or even 'demon' indicating a near dibolical level of strength, rare even amongst Noldorin smiths.