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Old 09-05-2000, 11:43 PM   #24
Saulotus
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Re: tolkien 's &quot;myths transformed&quot;

Well dudes, not quite sure where this belongs, but here's something to chew on. I'll paste in quotes from a post to illustrate something I said earlier about Christopher missing obvious conclusions and whatnot.

&gt;&gt;Problems included: (1) if the sun and moon were part of the creation of Ea, why would the trees be needed&lt;&lt;

Because the dome of Valinor covered VALINOR not Valmar. It was to protect Valinor from the 'corrupted' sun.

&gt;&gt;(2) where to place Aman if the earth is round&lt;&lt;

Another dimension would be the modern description. Unless ya want to have a continental shadow upon an ungodly section of the planet.

&gt;&gt;(3) how to adjust the Akallabeth and the removal of Valinor from the circles of the earth&lt;&lt;

Does it need it? In what way does it? Akallabeth is mannish. It can stay as is or change without effect.

&gt;&gt;(4) what about Earendil? Potential solutions&lt;&lt;

He sailed the sky until the Atani reached Numenor. Then went bye-bye.

&gt;&gt;make the Narsilion a primitive human explanation of the sun and moon (but the elves would still know, why wouldn't they tell the Edain?); make the earth round and create a need for the trees through the murks of Morgoth (why wouldn't Manwe just use the winds to blow it away?).&lt;&lt;

Manwe did. That's when the Elves awoke. The lamps were ditched early, but not the Trees. Sun and Moon from trees are perfectly acceptable; as lights for VALINOR. not for the earth. Even works well for the illustration of the Halls of Manwe Tolkien did. This makes the explanation used in NARSILION nearly perfect as is. Location of Gates of Morning and Doors of Night? Are they truly needed? Perhaps after Valinor is removed from the circles of the world. Would this enter into mannish lore? Nope.

Well dudes, this is just a very small sampling of what I was talking about. There's PLENTY more.

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