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***Mithadan*** · 05-17-2001, 01:08 PM

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Re: Palantiri History Problems

Like my last post, anything I could say in response would be speculation. If we were to assume that Amandil was 200 when he attempted to reach Aman, he would have been about 50 at the time you propose (for which there is also no support; the elves could have stopped their trips to Numenor even earlier). So to engage in rank (really rank) speculation: (1)Elves, having some foresight of things to come gifted the Palantiri to him; (2) The "leadership" of the faithful was a hereditary title which passed to him early as Lord of Andunie.

To the foregoing we may add that Amandil may have been older than 200. UT comments that for the Numenoreans even at that time, 200 was a young age to die. If we assume Amandil was 225 or even 250 when he attempted to reach the West, it becomes more reasonable for the Elves to give him the Palantiri.

All speculation aside, the Sil. clearly states the Palantiri were gifted to Amandil so there must be some explanation.

--Mithadan--
"The Silmarils with living light
were kindled clear, and waxing bright
shone like stars that in the North
above the reek of earth leap forth." </p>

05-17-2001, 01:08 PM	#4
*Mithadan* Spirit of Mist Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Tol Eressea Posts: 3,394	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Spirit of Mist Posts: 872</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: Palantiri History Problems Like my last post, anything I could say in response would be speculation. If we were to assume that Amandil was 200 when he attempted to reach Aman, he would have been about 50 at the time you propose (for which there is also no support; the elves could have stopped their trips to Numenor even earlier). So to engage in rank (really rank) speculation: (1)Elves, having some foresight of things to come gifted the Palantiri to him; (2) The "leadership" of the faithful was a hereditary title which passed to him early as Lord of Andunie. To the foregoing we may add that Amandil may have been older than 200. UT comments that for the Numenoreans even at that time, 200 was a young age to die. If we assume Amandil was 225 or even 250 when he attempted to reach the West, it becomes more reasonable for the Elves to give him the Palantiri. All speculation aside, the Sil. clearly states the Palantiri were gifted to Amandil so there must be some explanation. --Mithadan-- "The Silmarils with living light were kindled clear, and waxing bright shone like stars that in the North above the reek of earth leap forth." </p> __________________ Beleriand, Beleriand, the borders of the Elven-land.