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Child of the 7th Age · 10-05-2002, 09:28 PM

Bird --

More than you ever wanted to know about hobbits!! There were definitely three types in prison, and through the whole story.

In the First Age, Maura and Cami actually had discussions about the three type of hobbits. Each of the three was represented on the council by their own leaders. Maura told Cami there was little intermarriage beween them. Cami noticed there was more mingling in the camps than there had been before. She thought it would be better if the three groups merged, but Maura doubted that would occur anytime soon.

Cami is primarily a Harfoot, with some Fallohide blood which came though her mother's Brockhouse line. Maura was a Took and a Fallohide, so it is obviously in Cami's interest to support a mingling of the clans!

Remember too that when the Elves came for the first rescue they purposely restricted themselves to Stoors, since these were to become hobbrim. My guess is that the three-part distinction will remain longer among the hobbits than the hobbrim, because of the former's migration routes. The hobbrim are all together on a small island, so dfferences will blend faster.

The Tooks (Fallohides) are always the loremasters in our story. Lindo was also a Fallohide, I believe, but I don't think he was a Took. (Helen, is that true?) The only exception is Andril the Hobbrim, and Cami herself (if you count her in that class.) The two brothers Phura and Gamba Took are required to choose different destinations at the end, so the Took line will be preserved among both hobbrim and hobbits. I see the situation similar to the First Age. There were friendships between the three groups, but intermarriage was rare.

Yes, hobbits are sturdy. But the LotR and Hobbit assumes that they had certain basic skills. I am not sure how many of those skills survived after 60+ years in prison.
Having some implied interaction with the wood Elves in Anduin is possible, especially in terms of the fairy mentioned in the Took family line. (I can see it now--Gamba chasing after a wood Elf down the Anduin when he gets a bit older!)

Perhaps it would be more realistic to assume a few weeks at the end after the hobbit/hobbrim choice (rather than an extended period) where things would be briefly sorted out, battle wounds and prison illnesses healed, weapons and other needed gear distributed, basic survival tips taught, and leaders acknowledged and/or appointed. Then after that few weeks, the goodbyes are said and the Star and Elven ships do transport to the Third Age. This would be a little like the time after Cormallen where the fellowship hung around together, enjoying each other's company, before they finally departed and split up.

I think Ancalimon would promise to keep his eye on the hobbits in Anduin (he'd be going to the Third Age too!) and also enlist the aid of the Wood Elves, at least for the first generation. Perhaps this would cover it.

It's likely that Cami would be acknowledged as the wise woman for the Fallohides, at least until Gamba came of age, and that would at least guarantee she wouldn't starve. Whatever small measure of learning still survived, it would be among this group. Also Cami would be the one to interact with the Wood Elves, since she knew more of Elves than the others. Maybe she could squeeze lembas recipe out of them!

sharon

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Child of the 7th Age Spirit of the Lonely Star Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 5,133	Bird -- More than you ever wanted to know about hobbits!! There were definitely three types in prison, and through the whole story. In the First Age, Maura and Cami actually had discussions about the three type of hobbits. Each of the three was represented on the council by their own leaders. Maura told Cami there was little intermarriage beween them. Cami noticed there was more mingling in the camps than there had been before. She thought it would be better if the three groups merged, but Maura doubted that would occur anytime soon. Cami is primarily a Harfoot, with some Fallohide blood which came though her mother's Brockhouse line. Maura was a Took and a Fallohide, so it is obviously in Cami's interest to support a mingling of the clans! Remember too that when the Elves came for the first rescue they purposely restricted themselves to Stoors, since these were to become hobbrim. My guess is that the three-part distinction will remain longer among the hobbits than the hobbrim, because of the former's migration routes. The hobbrim are all together on a small island, so dfferences will blend faster. The Tooks (Fallohides) are always the loremasters in our story. Lindo was also a Fallohide, I believe, but I don't think he was a Took. (Helen, is that true?) The only exception is Andril the Hobbrim, and Cami herself (if you count her in that class.) The two brothers Phura and Gamba Took are required to choose different destinations at the end, so the Took line will be preserved among both hobbrim and hobbits. I see the situation similar to the First Age. There were friendships between the three groups, but intermarriage was rare. Yes, hobbits are sturdy. But the LotR and Hobbit assumes that they had certain basic skills. I am not sure how many of those skills survived after 60+ years in prison. Having some implied interaction with the wood Elves in Anduin is possible, especially in terms of the fairy mentioned in the Took family line. (I can see it now--Gamba chasing after a wood Elf down the Anduin when he gets a bit older!) Perhaps it would be more realistic to assume a few weeks at the end after the hobbit/hobbrim choice (rather than an extended period) where things would be briefly sorted out, battle wounds and prison illnesses healed, weapons and other needed gear distributed, basic survival tips taught, and leaders acknowledged and/or appointed. Then after that few weeks, the goodbyes are said and the Star and Elven ships do transport to the Third Age. This would be a little like the time after Cormallen where the fellowship hung around together, enjoying each other's company, before they finally departed and split up. I think Ancalimon would promise to keep his eye on the hobbits in Anduin (he'd be going to the Third Age too!) and also enlist the aid of the Wood Elves, at least for the first generation. Perhaps this would cover it. It's likely that Cami would be acknowledged as the wise woman for the Fallohides, at least until Gamba came of age, and that would at least guarantee she wouldn't starve. Whatever small measure of learning still survived, it would be among this group. Also Cami would be the one to interact with the Wood Elves, since she knew more of Elves than the others. Maybe she could squeeze lembas recipe out of them! sharon [ October 05, 2002: Message edited by: Child of the 7th Age ] [ October 06, 2002: Message edited by: Child of the 7th Age ] __________________ Multitasking women are never too busy to vote.