<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ghost-Prince of Cardolan
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Re: The role of Fate in Middle Earth
I agree with Zoe. But no sense in arguing the point that God can limit himself with his own omnipotence, it is not necissarily impossible, but it is I guess undefined, like have 0/0 it isn't 0 and it isn't infinity it isn't and it is everything. Can God create a boulder that is to heavy for him to move? No one can answer that question besides God.
Back to the original discussion, which seems to have a lot to do with our world. I think everything is forseen by Ilùvatar, an omniscient being. And being all knowing Ilùvatar knows every event which has occurred and will occur. Just because something didn't happen in the music doens't mean that it isn't known by him, it just means that it isn't known to the Valar.
Free will and fate are not opposites, they can coexist. We have free will. But God or Ilùvatar, which ever you prefer, can "look into the future", see what choices we have made, come back in time and make up a predetermined course of events that cannot be changed. More or less that is how I see it done.
"It seems fate is not without a sense of irony."</p>
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