Well Squatter, if you want to put it that way, then Turgon is a selfish brat as well for not packing up and shipping out when Ulmo told him to, because he was juat FAR to important to listen to the advice of a vala and he didnt want to leave anyways.
As for the responsiblility for the Fall of Gondolin, this could go on for hours. You could trace it all the way back to Eru if you really wanted to.
|