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Old 08-22-2002, 04:52 PM   #9
Legolas
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Legolas has just left Hobbiton.
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Being with her father had nothing to do with it. [Also, she did not have the choice that Elrond and Elros had. Her ancestry was that of the Half-elven, but her father and mother were both elves...she didn't have any say in the matter.]---this is apparently wrong, it is stated otherwise in the letters...sorry. Read on.

If you think she did have the choice, she had obviously already chosen to be an elf, have lived almost 3,000 years. Surely it was a permanent choice...Elros couldn't go back to being an elf after discovering the hardships of mortality, even if he wanted to. It would have to go both ways.

Arwen discovered the hardships of immortality by engaging herself in a relationship with a mortal, and in doing so, watching her father leave her forever. She gave up her immortality because she could not go on without him...because she waited so long to give it up, it's obvious that it was not a matter of the half-elven choice given to Elros and Elrond.

Also, Elrond's sons did not stay him (they have sailed over the sea, but it would've been years into the Fourth Age, long after Elrond himself had sailed into the west), but we're not told they became humans and passed away.

You could say that she gave up her immortality voluntarily by making choices that she knew would bring great grief upon her and passed away in the same fashion that Miriel passed away, but there's a problem there...was she counted as a man in her final years, or still an elf? I'm not sure there's a quote on that; I shall look. I've never given this matter so much thought!

[ August 22, 2002: Message edited by: Legalos ]
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