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Old 09-05-2003, 01:22 PM   #26
Amarie of the Vanyar
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Good point, Firnantoonion, when there is no hope (Estel) the fëa in itself is ill, and this is called despair. As Gandalf says to Denethor:

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'And only the heathen kings, under the domination of the Dark Power, did thus, slaying themselves in pride and despair, murdering their kin to ease their own death'
The Pyre of Denethor; LotR
Eowyn fëa is not completely healed until she recovers from despair, as the Warden of the Houses of Healing says, some days after her hröa was healed by Aragorn.

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to go even further (and to add even more discussion to it) I would like to state that hope was the interference of Eru to the world
Are you referring here to the Old Hope that is mentioned in the Athabeth? I completely agree with it, for me this is the most beautiful use of the word hope (meaning Estel), in all Tolkien writings.

And about the words of Aragorn in Khazad-dum:
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"We must do without hope"
In my opinion Aragorn here is using hope with the meaning of Admir (Great post, HerenIstarion [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] ); and that he really means We must do without Admir, but with Estel.

By the way, Estelyn, green is also the colour of hope in Spain (maybe it is also, in the rest of Europe).
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