Regal Dwarven Shade
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Uhhh, I'm still confused apparently. Let me quote the specific section that I was referring about because we may not be talking about the same passages.
"Suddenly Sam woke up thinking that he heard his master calling. It was evening. Frodo could not have called, for he had fallen asleep, and had slid down almost to the bottom of the pit. Gollum was by him. For a moment Sam thought that Gollum was trying to rouse Frodo; then he saw that it was not so. Gollum was talking to himself. Smeagol was holding a debate with some other thought that used the same voice but made it squeak and hiss. A pale light and a green light alternated in his eyes as he spoke.
'Smeagol promised,' said the first thought.
'Yes, yes, my precious,' came the answer, we promised: to save our Precious, not to let Him have it-never. But it's going to Him, yes, nearer every step. What's the hobbit going to do with it, we wonders, yes we wonders.'
'I don't know. I can't help it. Master's got it. Smeagol promised to help the master.'
'Yes, yes, to help the master: the master of the Precious. But if we was master then we could help ourselfs, yes, and still keep promises.'
'But Smeagol said that he would be very very good. Nice hobbit! He took cruel rope off Smeagol's leg. He speaks nicely to me.'
'Very very good, eh, my precious? Let's be good, good as fish, sweet one, but to ourselfs. Not hurt nice hobbit, of course, no, no.'
'But the Precious holds the promise,' the voice of Smeagol objected.
'Then take it,' said the other, 'and let's hold it ourselfs! Then we shall be master gollum! Make the other hobbit, the nasty suspicious hobbit, make him crawl, yes, gollum!'
'But not the nice hobbit?'
'Oh no, not if it doesn't please us. Still he's a Baggins, my precious, yes, a Baggins. A Baggins stole it. He found it and he said nothing, nothing. We hates Bagginses.'
'Not this Baggins.'
'Yes, every Baggins. All peoples that keep the Precious. We must have it!'
'But He'll see, He'll know. He'll take it from us!'
'He sees. He knows. He heard us make silly promises-against His orders, yes. Must take it. The Wraiths are searching. Must take it.'
'Not for Him!'
'No, sweet one. See, my precious: if we has it, then we can escape, even from Him, eh? Perhaps we grow very strong, stronger than Wraiths. Lord Smeagol? Gollum the Great? The Gollum! Eat fish every day, three times a day, fresh from the Sea. Most Precious Gollum! Must have it. We wants it, we wants it, we wants it!'"
Is it that particular dialogue you are thinking about?
One time Gollum uses "he" in reference to Frodo where he says, "He took cruel rope off Smeagol's leg. He speaks nicely to me."
That is also a time where Gollum refers to himself in the third person saying, "But Smeagol said he would be very very good."
Gollum makes reference to Frodo and Bilbo (something I did not notice at first) in this sentence. "Still he's a Baggins, my precious, yes, a Baggins. A Baggins stole it. He found it and he said nothing, nothing. We hates Bagginses."
As far as I can tell (which I did miss that reference to Bilbo before) when Gollum uses "He" it refers to Sauron.
Is that the passage you were asking about, or are we talking about two different things? [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]
And I apologize for the length of this post, but I wanted to make sure that we were talking about the same thing.
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