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Thingol · 03-09-2002, 06:26 PM

I just want to clearly illustrate my points in an outline form. What can I say, I'm a freak. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

1. Man's spiritual/magical power is very weak, not on par with an elf's, let alone a Maia.
2. Men have killed Dragons.
3. In order for a "powerful" being to be defeated it must be confronted by an opponent of at least equal spiritual/magical power.
4. Balrogs are only slain by elf lords, who died in the process, and the Valar, it is very doubtful that a man could kill a Balrog (see Gandalf's quote to Aragorn and Boromir)
5. Since men have killed Dragons this means that the spiritual/magical power of a Dragon is not very potent.
6. Dragons are the most powerful beings in existance in terms of pure physical power, but I do not believe that Balrogs can be physically destroyed unless they are met by an opponent with equal or greater spiritual/magical power.
7. Voronwe's quote and Legolas' quote do not conflict with eachother. If one insists they do, then Voronwe's quote must be disregarded. The Lord of the Rings is cannon over the Unfinished Tales. Any ideas or statements in the Unfinished Tales that conflicts with information in the Lord of the Rings is either an out-dated notion or a slip up.

That pretty much sums up my argument, do your worst [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img]

[ March 09, 2002: Message edited by: Thingol ]

03-09-2002, 06:26 PM	#64
Thingol Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Long Island, New York Posts: 259	I just want to clearly illustrate my points in an outline form. What can I say, I'm a freak. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] 1. Man's spiritual/magical power is very weak, not on par with an elf's, let alone a Maia. 2. Men have killed Dragons. 3. In order for a "powerful" being to be defeated it must be confronted by an opponent of at least equal spiritual/magical power. 4. Balrogs are only slain by elf lords, who died in the process, and the Valar, it is very doubtful that a man could kill a Balrog (see Gandalf's quote to Aragorn and Boromir) 5. Since men have killed Dragons this means that the spiritual/magical power of a Dragon is not very potent. 6. Dragons are the most powerful beings in existance in terms of pure physical power, but I do not believe that Balrogs can be physically destroyed unless they are met by an opponent with equal or greater spiritual/magical power. 7. Voronwe's quote and Legolas' quote do not conflict with eachother. If one insists they do, then Voronwe's quote must be disregarded. The Lord of the Rings is cannon over the Unfinished Tales. Any ideas or statements in the Unfinished Tales that conflicts with information in the Lord of the Rings is either an out-dated notion or a slip up. That pretty much sums up my argument, do your worst [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img] [ March 09, 2002: Message edited by: Thingol ] __________________ Yet the lies that Melkor, the mighty and accursed, Morgoth Bauglir, the Power of Terror and of Hate, sowed in the hearts of Elves and Men are a seed that does not die and cannot be destroyed; and ever and anon it sprouts anew, and will bear dark fruit even unto the latest days.