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Eru · 11-25-2002, 06:13 PM

actually, i believe after Iluvatar took care of his wayward children and removed Valinor from the circles of the world, he gave the governance back to the Valar. how else would gandalf been able to come from the distant west? was he not a maiar (sp?), along with the rest of the wizards who came with him (istari)? the valar, not wishing to interfere directly with the dealings within Endor, sent the istari to help the Men and remaining Elves rally against sauron. and before anyone says, well, if saruman was a maiar, then how come he turned to evil? well, how did the Balrogs turn to evil? Morgoth? power and greed. and if anyone wants me to back it up with text, then i will do so. as soon as i get UT back.

11-25-2002, 06:13 PM	#12
Eru Haunting Spirit Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Middle Earth Posts: 71	actually, i believe after Iluvatar took care of his wayward children and removed Valinor from the circles of the world, he gave the governance back to the Valar. how else would gandalf been able to come from the distant west? was he not a maiar (sp?), along with the rest of the wizards who came with him (istari)? the valar, not wishing to interfere directly with the dealings within Endor, sent the istari to help the Men and remaining Elves rally against sauron. and before anyone says, well, if saruman was a maiar, then how come he turned to evil? well, how did the Balrogs turn to evil? Morgoth? power and greed. and if anyone wants me to back it up with text, then i will do so. as soon as i get UT back. __________________ "Utúlie'n aurë! Aiya Eldalië ar Atanatári, utúlie'n aurë! The day has come! Behold, people of the Eldar and Fathers of Men, the day has come!"