the phantom posted:
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I think the ridiculous amount of influence the Valar had over the Teleri is one of the most interesting aspects of this whole debate. It was like a dictatorship or something. "The Valar wish this, so I'll completely treat their wish like an all out command and assume that the Valar are perfect. I don't need to think and discern for myself, I'm just a puppet." I think that is so horrible.
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Morgoth would agree completely with those words [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img] , he couldn't either stand Eru's 'dictatorship'.
Gorthol posted:
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We are all formed through our upbringing, our environment and our genes. I think "what you are" and "what you become" is formed through that, i.e. you don't have any "free will" it's already decided for you.
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Fëanor and Noldor had free will, as well as the Vanyar and the Teleri [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] The difference is that Fëanor is too proud to accept guidance by others. I completely agree with Lord of Angmar and The Saucepan Man. It is just too easy to excuse our bad acts by blaming the environment or our genes, and I cannot imagine Fëanor doing it. [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]