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Morima · 11-26-2002, 05:45 PM

Now you people really disagree on every word I say!

But I also see that most of you have deeper knowledge in this than me, and I say things based on what I have read in LotR and the Sil, not having read the HoME or UT yet. It's good that you tell me how things are instead of barking at me. I learn every day.

But some of these questions are, as you say, still a matter of opinion. I personally think that people are too harsh on Saruman, cause many of Tolkiens characters are very complex, and Saruman is definately one of those. I get annoyed when people intentionally (mind you) call him Sarumon or Saurumon or silly things like that. That's not necessary, and that's why I posted on this thread in the first place! Usually, he's not treated fair(ly).

Now, what I said (and was quoted on) about Manwë creating Elf and Man, was obviously wrong: Eru created Elf and Man. I didn't remember correctly from the Sil. And I didn't know that the origin of Orc was a theory as stated in the Sil, later given more theories in Tolkiens letters!

I'm pretty sure, though, that HAI means "people". That's the Black Speech, which is the same as orcish, or much the same. I agree with the one who said that uruk-hai is a form of orc. I guess that could fit with my view on this complex world. Phew...

EDIT: Grammatical errors

[ November 26, 2002: Message edited by: Morima ]

11-26-2002, 05:45 PM	#24
Morima Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Budapest. Posts: 78	Now you people really disagree on every word I say! But I also see that most of you have deeper knowledge in this than me, and I say things based on what I have read in LotR and the Sil, not having read the HoME or UT yet. It's good that you tell me how things are instead of barking at me. I learn every day. But some of these questions are, as you say, still a matter of opinion. I personally think that people are too harsh on Saruman, cause many of Tolkiens characters are very complex, and Saruman is definately one of those. I get annoyed when people intentionally (mind you) call him Sarumon or Saurumon or silly things like that. That's not necessary, and that's why I posted on this thread in the first place! Usually, he's not treated fair(ly). Now, what I said (and was quoted on) about Manwë creating Elf and Man, was obviously wrong: Eru created Elf and Man. I didn't remember correctly from the Sil. And I didn't know that the origin of Orc was a theory as stated in the Sil, later given more theories in Tolkiens letters! I'm pretty sure, though, that HAI means "people". That's the Black Speech, which is the same as orcish, or much the same. I agree with the one who said that uruk-hai is a form of orc. I guess that could fit with my view on this complex world. Phew... EDIT: Grammatical errors [ November 26, 2002: Message edited by: Morima ] __________________ «We're all but noon now; dawn, evening and midnight.» Aki Benetah.