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Olorin_TLA · 06-01-2003, 06:55 AM

"last child of Ungoliant"...mind you, that could mean descendant - but she's pretty nasty regardless. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Mind you, the Mirkwood spiders (and the also spiders in Mordor's mountains)are Shelob's spawn - or at least that's the impression I got from TTT, and they're smaller than her, and may have a fuller diet - perhaps the divinity of Ungoliant (again, bigger than Shelob) dilutes down the generations.

I don't think Tolkien was thinking of Scylla when devising Shelob - spiders live in holes anyway, and though Scylla did live live in a cave in soem versions, nobody went thorugh it - it was high on the mountains, and she'd reach down and grab men passing underneath in the sea from her cave/rock. Plus, she was kind of like a dog with 6 heads. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

As for Telvido, that's an interesting theory, and would certainly fit if Elves still talked about Telvido aswell as Saruon. Although I think the "replaced" idea is secure, as in a way big cats are just replaced by big dogs (werewolves) - Sauron even turns into one, recalling Telvido's catform. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

06-01-2003, 06:55 AM	#24
Olorin_TLA Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Gardens of Lórien, Valinor. Posts: 420	"last child of Ungoliant"...mind you, that could mean descendant - but she's pretty nasty regardless. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Mind you, the Mirkwood spiders (and the also spiders in Mordor's mountains)are Shelob's spawn - or at least that's the impression I got from TTT, and they're smaller than her, and may have a fuller diet - perhaps the divinity of Ungoliant (again, bigger than Shelob) dilutes down the generations. I don't think Tolkien was thinking of Scylla when devising Shelob - spiders live in holes anyway, and though Scylla did live live in a cave in soem versions, nobody went thorugh it - it was high on the mountains, and she'd reach down and grab men passing underneath in the sea from her cave/rock. Plus, she was kind of like a dog with 6 heads. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] As for Telvido, that's an interesting theory, and would certainly fit if Elves still talked about Telvido aswell as Saruon. Although I think the "replaced" idea is secure, as in a way big cats are just replaced by big dogs (werewolves) - Sauron even turns into one, recalling Telvido's catform. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ "For I am Olórin! And Olórin means me!" ELENDIL! - Join "Forth Tolkiengas!"