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**lindil** · 07-27-2000, 10:37 PM

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One could imagine that maybe Olorin aided those in the Isle of balar after the weariness of the long defeats and trechery of fellow eldar or perhaps turned the heart of maglor towards the sons of Earendil.
I was curious to see if the reference in the Valaquenta was in the pre 1977 Silmarillion and looking in Morgoth's ring we find the same story in slightly different wording. It ends with"Those who hearkened to him arose from despair; and in their hearts the desire to heal and renew awoke,and thoughts of fair things that had not yet beenbut might yet be made for the enrichment of Arda. Nothing he made himselfand nothing he possessed, but kindled the hearts of others and in their delight he was glad.'
HoME vol X
p147 This was writen by JRRT in the 50's.
As an aside I thinkvery little of the Silm. was 'written' by CRRT he added a section tying together the end of Hurin and Thingol but that is all I know of .Simply put he functioned chiefly as an editor choosing between his fathers many unfinished versions.

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lindil Seeker of the Straight Path Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: a hidden fastness in Big Valley nor cal Posts: 1,680	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Haunting Spirit Posts: 0</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/bloody.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Olorin in the First and Second Ages?..any thoughts One could imagine that maybe Olorin aided those in the Isle of balar after the weariness of the long defeats and trechery of fellow eldar or perhaps turned the heart of maglor towards the sons of Earendil. I was curious to see if the reference in the Valaquenta was in the pre 1977 Silmarillion and looking in Morgoth's ring we find the same story in slightly different wording. It ends with"Those who hearkened to him arose from despair; and in their hearts the desire to heal and renew awoke,and thoughts of fair things that had not yet beenbut might yet be made for the enrichment of Arda. Nothing he made himselfand nothing he possessed, but kindled the hearts of others and in their delight he was glad.' HoME vol X p147 This was writen by JRRT in the 50's. As an aside I thinkvery little of the Silm. was 'written' by CRRT he added a section tying together the end of Hurin and Thingol but that is all I know of .Simply put he functioned chiefly as an editor choosing between his fathers many unfinished versions. </p> __________________ The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night exchanging lore & wisdom such as they still possessed that they should not fall back into the mean estate of those who never knew or indeed rebelled against the Light.