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Finwe · 07-13-2003, 08:43 PM

Actually, Galadriel is most definitely NOT a Silvan Elf. She is 1/4 Noldo, 1/4 Vanya, and 1/2 Teler. Her father was Finarfin, the third son of Finwë, the first High King of the Noldor in Aman (the Blessed Isles). Her mother was Earwen, the daughter of King Olwë of the Teleri, another race of the Calaquendi, the Elves who reached Aman. Her Vanyarin blood comes from her grandmother Indis (of the Vanyar) who was Finarfin's mother. She is the cousin of Fingon, Turgon, and Aredhel Ar-Feiniel, and the "aunt" of Gil-galad and Idril Celebrindal. In that same sense, she was the many times great-grandaunt of the Kings of Numenor and great-grandaunt and mother-in-law of Elrond, who married her daughter Celebrian.

The Silvan Elves did not all look alike. By the time of the Third Age, when most of the Chronicles were written, most of the Elves in Middle-earth had "mixed" blood. No one belonged to just one race, so they had physical traits from all over the place. Most of the Sindar in Middle-earth were the rulers of the Silvan Kingdoms, and intermarried with the Silvan Elves. All of the Silvan Elves just couldn't look alike because many of them had Sindarin and Noldorin ancestors.

The reason that the Elves from Mirkwood and Lothlorien look alike is that they are both "mixtures" of Sindarin and Silvan blood. And what is it that is so unbelievable about Doriathrin Elves? You might need to explain yourself a little better.

Elrond is indeed descended from the Sindar. You have to remember, that the Sindar were almost like a nation of people, not really a race. Most of them were related to the Teleri, since they originally came from the same group, they were just split up and "evolved" differently. The King of the Sindar in Beleriand was King Thingol of Doriath, and I assume they were given the name Sindar "Grey-elves" or "Grey-people" because they were the followers of King Thingol, who had silver hair, and most of them had silver-ish hair (key word, most).

Another thing to remember is that Moriquendi, or Dark Elves, is a term used to classify those Elves who did not go to Aman in the Great Journey. The Sindar and the Nandor are both in this category. The only Sinda who qualifies as a member of the Calaquendi is Thingol, because he was one of the three ambassadors to Aman, and so, had indeed been there. The Moriquendi are not Dark in the sense of coloring, they are considered dark because they did not see the light of Aman.

07-13-2003, 08:43 PM	#2
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	Actually, Galadriel is most definitely NOT a Silvan Elf. She is 1/4 Noldo, 1/4 Vanya, and 1/2 Teler. Her father was Finarfin, the third son of Finwë, the first High King of the Noldor in Aman (the Blessed Isles). Her mother was Earwen, the daughter of King Olwë of the Teleri, another race of the Calaquendi, the Elves who reached Aman. Her Vanyarin blood comes from her grandmother Indis (of the Vanyar) who was Finarfin's mother. She is the cousin of Fingon, Turgon, and Aredhel Ar-Feiniel, and the "aunt" of Gil-galad and Idril Celebrindal. In that same sense, she was the many times great-grandaunt of the Kings of Numenor and great-grandaunt and mother-in-law of Elrond, who married her daughter Celebrian. The Silvan Elves did not all look alike. By the time of the Third Age, when most of the Chronicles were written, most of the Elves in Middle-earth had "mixed" blood. No one belonged to just one race, so they had physical traits from all over the place. Most of the Sindar in Middle-earth were the rulers of the Silvan Kingdoms, and intermarried with the Silvan Elves. All of the Silvan Elves just couldn't look alike because many of them had Sindarin and Noldorin ancestors. The reason that the Elves from Mirkwood and Lothlorien look alike is that they are both "mixtures" of Sindarin and Silvan blood. And what is it that is so unbelievable about Doriathrin Elves? You might need to explain yourself a little better. Elrond is indeed descended from the Sindar. You have to remember, that the Sindar were almost like a nation of people, not really a race. Most of them were related to the Teleri, since they originally came from the same group, they were just split up and "evolved" differently. The King of the Sindar in Beleriand was King Thingol of Doriath, and I assume they were given the name Sindar "Grey-elves" or "Grey-people" because they were the followers of King Thingol, who had silver hair, and most of them had silver-ish hair (key word, most). Another thing to remember is that Moriquendi, or Dark Elves, is a term used to classify those Elves who did not go to Aman in the Great Journey. The Sindar and the Nandor are both in this category. The only Sinda who qualifies as a member of the Calaquendi is Thingol, because he was one of the three ambassadors to Aman, and so, had indeed been there. The Moriquendi are not Dark in the sense of coloring, they are considered dark because they did not see the light of Aman. __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.