[The Saucepan Man]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Gandalf knew all about the Uruk-hai thanks to his imprisonment by Saruman (hell, Saruman probably bragged about it). In fact, there is a very obvious scene in Rivendell where he is telling Elrond, "Saruman is breading orcs with goblin men ...". It should be expected that he would have talked to Aragorn about the same thing. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Ah, but Gandalf obviously never saw fit to share this information with the rest of the Fellowship, since (in the extended DVD of FotR), when Celeborn tells Aragorn of orcs that can travel by day, Aragorn does not react as if this is old news. And Celeborn does not, I think, refer to them as Uruk-Hai ...<P>... And what exactly are "goblin men" anyway? I thought that Uruk Hai were orcs crossed with men, plain and simple. If goblins had already been crossed with men, Saruman would not have needed to create the Uruk Hai - just get the goblin men to do a little body building.