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***Mithadan*** · 09-10-2001, 07:51 AM

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/vilya.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Family trees: the peredhil

The difficulty we face is that the peredhil and their right to choose between being counted as men or elves seems to derive from the decision of the Valar to grant this choice to Elrond and Elros (and apparently Earendil and Elwing). Thus Elrond and his children and Elros (until he chose the fate of Men) were clearly peredhil. Earendil seems to also fit within this category. Luthien apparently does not; she was an Elf granted the "gift" of the Fate of Man as a result of her love for Beren and their actions together. After her choice, she was of mankind. If Luthien was Mannish, then Dior also was. We do not learn the nature of Dior's wife (if I recall) so Elured and Elurin as well as Elwing were either "Men" (but Elwing was ultimately also granted the "choice&quot

or peredhil if Dior married an Elf. Similarly, Arwen was a peredhil but, after choosing the Fate of Man, her children with Aragorn were not. The difficulty is that before the Valar gave Elrond and Elros their choice, the nature of Dior and his offspring was unclear.

--Mithadan--
"The Silmarils with living light
were kindled clear, and waxing bright
shone like stars that in the North
above the reek of earth leap forth." </p>

09-10-2001, 07:51 AM	#2
*Mithadan* Spirit of Mist Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Tol Eressea Posts: 3,330	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Spirit of Mist Posts: 982</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/vilya.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Family trees: the peredhil The difficulty we face is that the peredhil and their right to choose between being counted as men or elves seems to derive from the decision of the Valar to grant this choice to Elrond and Elros (and apparently Earendil and Elwing). Thus Elrond and his children and Elros (until he chose the fate of Men) were clearly peredhil. Earendil seems to also fit within this category. Luthien apparently does not; she was an Elf granted the "gift" of the Fate of Man as a result of her love for Beren and their actions together. After her choice, she was of mankind. If Luthien was Mannish, then Dior also was. We do not learn the nature of Dior's wife (if I recall) so Elured and Elurin as well as Elwing were either "Men" (but Elwing was ultimately also granted the "choice&quot or peredhil if Dior married an Elf. Similarly, Arwen was a peredhil but, after choosing the Fate of Man, her children with Aragorn were not. The difficulty is that before the Valar gave Elrond and Elros their choice, the nature of Dior and his offspring was unclear. --Mithadan-- "The Silmarils with living light were kindled clear, and waxing bright shone like stars that in the North above the reek of earth leap forth." </p> __________________ Beleriand, Beleriand, the borders of the Elven-land.