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Orual · 01-04-2003, 02:57 PM

If it was meant to be symbolism, then it was pretty nifty. But the problem is that very few people understood it. Myself, I just went "why are we wasting time here? The third movie is named after Aragorn. Even if I hadn't read the books, I'd know he doesn't die. Why didn't we cut this and have some more Merry and Pippin?"<P>But I do agree, GreyIstar, that the Arwen...catastrophe (for lack of a better word) did much more damage than Aragorn's river scene. (Though perhaps Viggo Mortensen would disagree, since he almost died filming that scene.) The floating scene didn't replace anything, where Arwen's scene detracted from possible development of Frodo's character, so instead of a strong, brave hobbit willing to face the circumstances we see him as more a "piece of luggage" than Merry felt, the only difference being that Frodo was a piece of luggage who happened to be carrying the Ring of Power.<P>Alex Chamois, I see your point. Frankly, if either was intended as a parallel to Isildur, then it just went straight over my head, and the heads of everybody that I've talked with, which really makes it meaningless. Symbolism is nothing if the audience doesn't get it.<P>~*~Orual~*~

01-04-2003, 02:57 PM	#15
Orual Speaker of the Dead Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Superbia Posts: 868	If it was meant to be symbolism, then it was pretty nifty. But the problem is that very few people understood it. Myself, I just went "why are we wasting time here? The third movie is named after Aragorn. Even if I hadn't read the books, I'd know he doesn't die. Why didn't we cut this and have some more Merry and Pippin?"<P>But I do agree, GreyIstar, that the Arwen...catastrophe (for lack of a better word) did much more damage than Aragorn's river scene. (Though perhaps Viggo Mortensen would disagree, since he almost died filming that scene.) The floating scene didn't replace anything, where Arwen's scene detracted from possible development of Frodo's character, so instead of a strong, brave hobbit willing to face the circumstances we see him as more a "piece of luggage" than Merry felt, the only difference being that Frodo was a piece of luggage who happened to be carrying the Ring of Power.<P>Alex Chamois, I see your point. Frankly, if either was intended as a parallel to Isildur, then it just went straight over my head, and the heads of everybody that I've talked with, which really makes it meaningless. Symbolism is nothing if the audience doesn't get it.<P>~~Orual~~ __________________ "Oh, my god! I care so little, I almost passed out!" --Dr. Cox, "Scrubs"