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Lyta_Underhill · 03-28-2003, 01:31 AM

Firstly, I admit it has been a long time since I saw TTT, so please forgive any inconsistencies as the product of a vague memory... <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>One thing that struck as I was reading a transcript of the movie. Here's Faramir with two hobbits that he's found that are obviously being less then truthful with him. No matter how nice a guy he was that is bound to p*** him off. One understandable reaction (that I know is different then the book) is to say to yourself, "you guys are going to act like criminals, I'll treat you like criminals until I get some straight answers".<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> H.C., that is an interesting thought, and this actually is addressed in an article I found online here: <A HREF="http://www.istad.org/tolkien/faramir.html" TARGET=_blank>http://www.istad.org/tolkien/faramir.html</A> ; the only problem with this explanation is that it really makes me wonder about Frodo...it sounds like perhaps the characterizations of Faramir and Frodo are both skewed to the bad in these scenes. I can see Faramir being more wary and untrusting when Frodo is acting as insane and irresponsible as he seems to be in the movie.The part I would change is any effort to bring the Ring to Minas Tirith or even an inkling on Faramir's part that the Ring should be brought there. Having him replicate the mistakes of his brother seems to serve no purpose, unless he is supposed to have gotten some sort of insight into why the Ring is dangerous by the horrible things it seems to make Elijah Wood do. Maybe he just gave up and said "Get this crazy hobbit out of here!"But really, to redeem Faramir, one would have to remove his brusqueness and return him back to the noble man he was in the book, the one that commanded respect and the one that respected the well-articulated mission of the hobbits. It takes so long for Faramir to let the hobbits go, because Frodo is too busy chewing scenery and hiding things, too focused on Faramir as "Boromir's brother" rather than as a discrete being (not that Faramir's newfound ideas about taking the Ring to Minas Tirith helped any). So, a changed Faramir in these scenes would necessitate a re-drawing of Frodo as well. The real questions is who is acting and who is reacting? Frodo and Sam are too close and do not answer Faramir's questions; while Faramir is too brusque and he scares the hobbits into withholding information (Frodo's scenery chewing notwithstanding).Well, that's all I can think of right now! This is my first post in the Movie forum, BTW! I'm usually lost in the Books section. Good night all, and don't let the Old Forest get you in your sleep!Cheers, Lyta

03-28-2003, 01:31 AM	#10
Lyta_Underhill Haunted Halfling Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: an uncounted length of steps--floating between air molecules Posts: 841	Firstly, I admit it has been a long time since I saw TTT, so please forgive any inconsistencies as the product of a vague memory...<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>One thing that struck as I was reading a transcript of the movie. Here's Faramir with two hobbits that he's found that are obviously being less then truthful with him. No matter how nice a guy he was that is bound to p*** him off. One understandable reaction (that I know is different then the book) is to say to yourself, "you guys are going to act like criminals, I'll treat you like criminals until I get some straight answers".<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>H.C., that is an interesting thought, and this actually is addressed in an article I found online here: <A HREF="http://www.istad.org/tolkien/faramir.html" TARGET=_blank>http://www.istad.org/tolkien/faramir.html</A> ; the only problem with this explanation is that it really makes me wonder about Frodo...it sounds like perhaps the characterizations of Faramir and Frodo are both skewed to the bad in these scenes. I can see Faramir being more wary and untrusting when Frodo is acting as insane and irresponsible as he seems to be in the movie.<P>The part I would change is any effort to bring the Ring to Minas Tirith or even an inkling on Faramir's part that the Ring should be brought there. Having him replicate the mistakes of his brother seems to serve no purpose, unless he is supposed to have gotten some sort of insight into why the Ring is dangerous by the horrible things it seems to make Elijah Wood do. Maybe he just gave up and said "Get this crazy hobbit out of here!"<P>But really, to redeem Faramir, one would have to remove his brusqueness and return him back to the noble man he was in the book, the one that commanded respect and the one that respected the well-articulated mission of the hobbits. It takes so long for Faramir to let the hobbits go, because Frodo is too busy chewing scenery and hiding things, too focused on Faramir as "Boromir's brother" rather than as a discrete being (not that Faramir's newfound ideas about taking the Ring to Minas Tirith helped any). So, a changed Faramir in these scenes would necessitate a re-drawing of Frodo as well. The real questions is who is acting and who is reacting? Frodo and Sam are too close and do not answer Faramir's questions; while Faramir is too brusque and he scares the hobbits into withholding information (Frodo's scenery chewing notwithstanding).<P>Well, that's all I can think of right now! This is my first post in the Movie forum, BTW! I'm usually lost in the Books section. Good night all, and don't let the Old Forest get you in your sleep!<P>Cheers,<BR>Lyta __________________ “…she laid herself to rest upon Cerin Amroth; and there is her green grave, until the world is changed, and all the days of her life are utterly forgotten by men that come after, and elanor and niphredil bloom no more east of the Sea.”